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The Real Reason Why Paul Oakenfold is Hated NOW [OAKENFOLD ESSENTIAL MIX 2006 THREAD] (pg. 12)
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| Orko |
I would stay home to listen tonight, but I will be at Above and Beyond's show!
Enjoy everybody. :) |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
I don't know--- Maybe you are right- but to get what WILL be hot, and make it hot... is a different thing. he was getting all the tunes before anyone else so he had to decide what he was going to play and what was going to get shelved- and it seems like for the most part in th 1995-2000 part of his career he made the right choices. |
Oakenfold's appeal wasn't on seasoned clubbers. He wasn't impressing anyone by playing unheard of tunes that eagle-eyed trainspotters were frantically running around trying to ID. His effect was entirely on newbies. And the newbies were such moronic serfs that they thought those were HIS tunes, that issued forth directly from HIS GENIUS. To this day, I still come across "Paul Oakenfold - Gamemaster" on file-sharers. People still think that Tranceport is an original artist CD or a concept album derived from the brilliant mind of Oakenfold, music maestro.
Paul Oakenfold's career isn't based on skill, talent, or secret tracks no one else had. It was based on ignorance. He's no better than a fraud or a hustler. A naive, stupid population weaned on the pop music model of music appreciation (ie: a band, on stage, playing their own songs) came en masse into this club/rave circuit in the late 90s and erronously concluded that DJs were original artists, which hyped them up to ridiculous extremes. As of 3-4 years ago, however, this population has more or less left the scene, or as they say in Silicon Valley after the dot-com bust: "The tourists have all gone home."
Consequently, Oakenfold's popularity took a nose-dive when he couldn't rely on these people to propel his infamy anymore. And by then it didn't matter, because other DJs took note of his powerful marketing/PR campaign, and did the same thing, with relative degrees of success (we all know who they are). Transforming the DJ into the rockstar.
Bigname DJs rely almost completely on ignorant newbies to keep themselves on top. That's it. Anyone who's been into the scene more than 4 years who is still awed by the power and sway of a bigname DJ like some celebrity gossip hound is either 1) stupid, 2) ignorant, 3) doesn't care or 4) all three. |
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| Nayil |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's Cthulhu. |
i know man...but not my fault .blame metallica. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Oakenfold's appeal wasn't on seasoned clubbers. He wasn't impressing anyone by playing unheard of tunes that eagle-eyed trainspotters were frantically running around trying to ID. His effect was entirely on newbies. And the newbies were such moronic serfs that they thought those were HIS tunes, that issued forth directly from HIS GENIUS. To this day, I still come across "Paul Oakenfold - Gamemaster" on file-sharers. People still think that Tranceport is an original artist CD or a concept album derived from the brilliant mind of Oakenfold, music maestro.
Paul Oakenfold's career isn't based on skill, talent, or secret tracks no one else had. It was based on ignorance. He's no better than a fraud or a hustler. A naive, stupid population weaned on the pop music model of music appreciation (ie: a band, on stage, playing their own songs) came en masse into this club/rave circuit in the late 90s and erronously concluded that DJs were original artists, which hyped them up to ridiculous extremes. As of 3-4 years ago, however, this population has more or less left the scene, or as they say in Silicon Valley after the dot-com bust: "The tourists have all gone home."
Consequently, Oakenfold's popularity took a nose-dive when he couldn't rely on these people to propel his infamy anymore. And by then it didn't matter, because other DJs took note of his powerful marketing/PR campaign, and did the same thing, with relative degrees of success (we all know who they are). Transforming the DJ into the rockstar.
Bigname DJs rely almost completely on ignorant newbies to keep themselves on top. That's it. Anyone who's been into the scene more than 4 years who is still awed by the power and sway of a bigname DJ like some celebrity gossip hound is either 1) stupid, 2) ignorant, 3) doesn't care or 4) all three. |
He wasn't the first "posterboy" dj (We all know Sasha holds that title) but he definetely ran his life like a buisness and picked some great tunes to spin. Lke you said, he doesn't have that support anymore because every dj has the great tunes, but he is/was an icon. People need people to follow- By nature your average guy/girl is going to indirectly or directly follow the next big thing- maybe .01% or less of people are actually involved with being that big thing- the rest can only latch on to it, in an attempt to get that buzz...
Oakenfold is like the Madonna of EDM. He latches on to what's hot, gets producers to do the dirty work for him and just adds a slight gloss to the final product and claims it as his own. It's not that the tunes aren't good, but they aren't his. Madonna is just a voice on a Stuart Price tune- But the fact that Madonna is an enterprise in itself (no doubt 10X or more larger than oakie's reach)- But it's a very similar thing in many ways.
I agree with you about the big names relying on the n00bs. For the most part the majority of the big "trance" djs are hammering the same tunes, each one ending the night with his/her "big tunes".. and whatevers hot from the last 1-2 years along with it. It's a very stagnant scene. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
Holds hand up as a 5%er...
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just the latest released material on beatport/juno.
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Agree with all of this. Well put.
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ps. On another note - DJs having a clique of producers who they rely heavily on is hardly something new to present day. You could argue almost every DJ has their favourite producers that they receive and play almost all their works. That a clique of DJs turned producers (or the other way around) form together and share tunes among one another... WTF does that matter? |
It doesn't- all I'm saying is it gets boring because they get (from my personal observations) locked into just getting the new and the hot from their mates they lose sight of a lot of the other music which isn't slapping them in the face so to speak.
As Iskur, many knowledgeable folks and myself have said, DJs have 20/30 years of dance tunes to go through- why limit yourself to the last 3/4 months of unreleased tunes? |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
Agree with all of this. Well put.
It doesn't- all I'm saying is it gets boring because they get (from my personal observations) locked into just getting the new and the hot from their mates they lose sight of a lot of the other music which isn't slapping them in the face so to speak.
As Iskur, many knowledgeable folks and myself have said, DJs have 20/30 years of dance tunes to go through- why limit yourself to the last 3/4 months of unreleased tunes? |
I will agree it makes them lazy... to just rely on said friends to produce their new material. However i think there is a fine line between just not giving a , and actually believing those guys are the current HOT STUFF.
There is not really an argument for the lazy DJ... but it could well be that they really enjoy those guys work, and would therefore, pick random new tune from mr.x over 1993 golden oldie love it, but not sure on the reaction...
Any DJ that spend 10 hrs a day actually looking for music rather than receiving it from friends is going to be able to perform better. At least from a passion conveyed through music point of view... however when you're trying to build a self-enterprise to turn into Ishkur's great big slanderous rockstar, how many big names have time for that anymore? Its obviously 10x easier to just walk into your studio, get on MSN and say to Fred Baker "what you got for me".
2 Ishkur (completely offtopic from the thread) you're always lambasting the bigname DJs for being past it, or having gone beyond their peak. Just what DJ is currently HOT for you right now? Which DJ actually does cut the mustard for all your insanely over-analytical euphamisms for DJs? |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
And the newbies were such moronic serfs that they thought those were HIS tunes, that issued forth directly from HIS GENIUS. To this day, I still come across "Paul Oakenfold - Gamemaster" on file-sharers. People still think that Tranceport is an original artist CD or a concept album derived from the brilliant mind of Oakenfold, music maestro. |
LOL, i'd honestly given you more credit. the mislabelling quite BLATENTLY comes from cd-ripping software automatically naming ripped mp3s based on the cddb data obtained by the program, where paul oakenfold is labelled as the cd 'artist', resulting in his name being appended infront of each 'title' in the filenames. those who owned & ripped the cd could see all the artists themselves on the tracklist so obviously wouldn't have thought oakey was behind them. and the many people who went on to download the tracks would have been none the wiser
| quote: | | Anyone who's been into the scene more than 4 years who is still awed by the power and sway of a bigname DJ like some celebrity gossip hound is either 1) stupid, 2) ignorant, 3) doesn't care or 4) all three. |
bingo, and neither should you... at least not half as much as you do |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
I think I love you. I couldn't have said it any better than that.  |
+1 also |
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| ArgentinaHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
+1 also |
+2 ;) Im with that :)
and -1 for all the frustrated with life,kids, who have nothing else to do than sit and whine about famous dj's, and spend their life making silly websites with lame phrase jpg images, that are to be used in forums.:D no names to be mentioned ;) |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Bigname DJs rely almost completely on ignorant newbies to keep themselves on top. That's it. Anyone who's been into the scene more than 4 years who is still awed by the power and sway of a bigname DJ like some celebrity gossip hound is either 1) stupid, 2) ignorant, 3) doesn't care or 4) all three. |
Sorry. Some of the older bigger names have something far more valuble to give us: experience.
I've listened to the same guys for years because they provide a sound that nobody else can match. Whether others have the ability or the tunes to match it, does not matter. What does matter is that my fav DJs will give me great tunes in great order.
Long live the chosen ones:
Oakenfold
Sasha
Digweed
Warren
Experience matters and these guys show nothing but. |
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| ArgentinaHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Sorry. Some of the older bigger names have something far more valuble to give us: experience.
I've listened to the same guys for years because they provide a sound that nobody else can match. Whether others have the ability or the tunes to match it, does not matter. What does matter is that my fav DJs will give me great tunes in great order. |
Get ready for another of his RIAA conspiracy rebuttals or better yet let's listen to his : why everyone in the EDM scene is stupid because they like sasha or why we all don't have brains because we can't ID several songs from many of oakenfold's EM99 sets....lol |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
LOL, i'd honestly given you more credit. the mislabelling quite BLATENTLY comes from cd-ripping software automatically naming ripped mp3s based on the cddb data obtained by the program, where paul oakenfold is labelled as the cd 'artist', resulting in his name being appended infront of each 'title' in the filenames.
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That may be.....but it still doesn't excuse people like DJ Mystik for taking advantage of a neophyte populace eager to latch onto an icon for their self-validation.
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
bingo, and neither should you... at least not half as much as you do |
Oh, but I have to. You see, your discordant ing mob has pushed free music and free partying away.
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
2 Ishkur (completely offtopic from the thread) you're always lambasting the bigname DJs for being past it, or having gone beyond their peak. Just what DJ is currently HOT for you right now? Which DJ actually does cut the mustard for all your insanely over-analytical euphamisms for DJs? |
None.
I told you this already: I don't follow DJs. I don't have to. I follow music, and I go to parties, clubs and raves for myself. Not anyone elses sake.
Occasionally I'll give proper respect to people who do interesting things, like Z-Trip or Hawtin, and I'm always up for a good set or two and often venture out to see a bigname DJ for curiosity's sake (and if the price is right), but I'm not going to follow their every waking move like some harsh fanboy, nor do I justify spending a ridiculous sum of money to go see them play, nor do I credit any one DJ or Producer for "getting me into electronic music". That's silliness. *I* got me into electronic music. *ELECTRONIC MUSIC* got me into electronic music.
I'm talking about persistence of the self here. Don't rely on anyone else to provide your fun for you. You'll end up becoming either hopelessly dependent on them or viciously dissapointed every time.
I guess that's why this scene has such a grievous turnover rate. |
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