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lol @ christianity (pg. 10)
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| lex400sc |
quotes? i got some quotes...
" Man creates God, then gets on his knees and worships his invention. "
- Karl Marx
" Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. "
- Thomas Jefferson
" Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. "
- Seneca
" The death of dogma is the birth of reason. "
- Immanuel Kant
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent.
Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent.
Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?
- Epicurus, circa 300 BCE
" 'A philosopher,' said the theologian, 'is like a blind man looking in a dark room for a black cat which isn't there.'
'Yes,' replied the philosopher, 'and if I were a theologian, I'd find the cat!' "
- Aldous Huxley
" All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fear, fraud, greed, imagination and poetry. "
- Edgar Allen Poe
" The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by "God" one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a god. This god is emotionally unsatisfying...It does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity. "
- Carl Sagan
" It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. "
- Carl Sagan
" I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose. "
- Clarence Darrow
" One of the proofs of the immortality of the soul is that myriads have believed in it. They have also believed the world was flat. "
- Mark Twain
" It is best to read the weather forecast before praying for rain. "
- Mark Twain
" What would be the use of immortality to a person who cannot use well a half hour? "
- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
i know plenty of people who would disagree with that statement and say that 2 + 2 = 4 isn't necessarily true...i don't have the advanced math or philosophy knowledge to explain it so i won't try...
but i'll just say that no evidence is complete and in that sense we take everything we know in faith. we might have stronger evidence for some things, but the puzzle will never be complete. we have the ability to rationalize as humans and for some the rationalization is different than others.
and who said there is NO evidence for religion? |
Dude....i wont get into a religous debate with you because you are the one person i NEVER got mad at on TA...and if we keep going we might get into one...lol..i respect you enough to not argue with you...;) |
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| lex400sc |
" It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere...Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. "
- Albert Einstein
" I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own-a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble minds harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. It is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive, and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in nature. "
- Albert Einstein |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Dude....i wont get into a religous debate with you because you are the one person i NEVER got mad at on TA...and if we keep going we might get into one...lol..i respect you enough to not argue with you...;) |
lol :p...i'm actually just playing devil's advocate in this thread...i'm not religious AT ALL. :p |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Aww you rolled your eyes. That added much to your argument. If you cant express what you think and must rely on others to do so, I would question your stake in the whole thing. |
I would question your general intelect since you seem to beleive in a book filled with serpents, fairys, men splitting seas and walking on water. Pfff the Bible? please i find more validity from Dr Sues books. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
lol always going for the most irrelevant argument possible :shock: |
You dont really have a place in this discussion any more... |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
I would question your general intelect since you seem to beleive in a book filled with serpents, fairys, men splitting seas and walking on water. Pfff the Bible? please i find more validity from Dr Sues books. |
Interesting that you deride others for intelligence when your post is filled with typos.
And saying the Bible is less than Dr. Seuss is witty, but not really constructive. |
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| lex400sc |
" It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. "
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
" I do not believe in the creed of the Roman Church, in the Protestant Church, the Greek Church, or the Turkish Church. My own mind is my church. "
- Thomas Paine
" God is a concept by which we measure our pain. "
- John Lennon
" When I became convinced that the Universe is natural -- that all the ghosts and gods are myth, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts, and bards, and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. "
- Robert G. Ingersoll
" Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered. "
- Stephen Jay Gould
" Anxieties about ourselves endure. If our proper study is indeed the study of humankind, then it has seemed-and still seems-to many that the study is dangerous. Perhaps we shall find out that we were not what we took ourselves to be. But if the historical development of science has indeed sometimes pricked our vanity, it has not plunged us into an abyss of immorality. Arguably, it has liberated us from misconceptions, and thereby aided us in our moral progress.
The theory of evolution explains to us what our ancestry has been. It does not explain away our worth. Why should we be afraid to learn more about what we are? "
- Philip Kitcher |
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| tiesto14 |
"And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
- Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823
The Second coming was a failed first century prophesies and just won’t happen. 40% of adults according to a 1999 Newsweek poll believe the world will end in a battle at Armageddon between Christ and the Antichrist. Christianity believes in the devil. We’re in the 21st Century, but fundamental Christianity is still in the Middle Ages. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Dude....i wont get into a religous debate with you because you are the one person i NEVER got mad at on TA...and if we keep going we might get into one...lol..i respect you enough to not argue with you...;) |
and not having a debate with someone you like because you wont be able to control yourself is a bad thing.
Also, in regard to your sig I find that Saint Jude's hospital might be a tiny antithesis to your claim of religious suffering.
Would also like to point out that wars have been fought over anything and everything and to claim that religion holds some special seat is to give more power to it then I would think youd want to. |
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| lex400sc |
" Scientific education and religious education are incompatible. The clergy have ceased to interfere with education at the advanced state, but they still control that of the children. This means that children will have to learn about Adam and Noah instead of about evolution, about David killing Goliath instead of Koch killing cholera, about Christ's ascent into heaven instead of Montgolfier's and Wright's. Worse than that they are taught that it is a virtue to accept statements without adequate evidence, which leaves them prey to quacks of every kind and makes it difficult for them to accept the methods of thought that are successful in science. "
- JB Haldane, geneticist
" Science arouses a soaring sense of wonder. But so does pseudoscience. Sparse and poor popularizations of science abandon ecological niches that pseudoscience promptly fills. If it were widely understood that claims to knowledge require adequate evidence before they can be accepted, there would be no room for pseudoscience...
All over the world there are enormous numbers of smart, even gifted, people who harbor a passion for science. But that passion is unrequited. Surveys suggest that some 95% of Americans are 'scientifically illiterate.' That's... the same fraction... of slaves who were illiterate before the Civil War. "
- Carl Sagan
" Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense. "
- Carl Sagan
" Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings, will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition. They avoid rather than confront the world. But those with the courage to explore the weave and structure of the Cosmos, even where it differs profoundly from their wishes and prejudices, will penetrate its deepest mysteries. "
- Carl Sagan
" Blind faith, no matter how passionately expressed, will not suffice. Science for its part will test relentlessly every assumption about the human condition. "
- Edward O. Wilson |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Interesting that you deride others for intelligence when your post is filled with typos. |
I admit i have many typos...its because i am on a new laptop and am used to my desktop...big whoop. At least i have a reason for typing bad...whats your reason for beleiving in a book like the bible.
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
And saying the Bible is less than Dr. Seuss is witty, but not really constructive. |
Well at least Dr Sues writes positives books and not a book like the bible which is filled with nonsensical, horrific acts. Do you know that the word hate is mentioned over 100x times more than than the word love in the bible? |
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