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| djmetatron |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
edit: so those are book titles. Have you even read them? |
i've read the last one. very good book, you should check it out. i'm thinking about the first one.
| quote: | | In the meantime you might want to explain how these go towards your personal enlightment further than reading about them. |
they simply use scientific research as well and educated psycological understanding to support what is clearly evident from what lex400sc said. |
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| lex400sc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
So all religion, including the ones you were referencing earlier, were promulgated through weekly services? You lose at logic. |
o noes! i lose! baby jesus wins! /thread |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
that's because the non-religious community bases it's pool on knowledge upon logic, mathematics, scientific process and emperical evidence... NOT a thousand year old book of folk stories |
it's ironic that you would put faith in a logic created for the most part by people that were religious, and then be quick to judge a belief they shared... |
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| djmetatron |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
So all religion, including the ones you were referencing earlier, were promulgated through weekly services? You lose at logic. |
ffs you miss the mark a lot. he was being cute ya dullard. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
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Faith: not wanting to know what is true.
- Friedrich Nietzsche |
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| tiesto14 |
I think one of the reasons that many people turn to religion is the human mind cannot easily comprehend the vast scales of time and space in the universe.
Our planet is one tiny insignificant rock orbiting one average, ordinary star in the outskirts of the Milky Way, itself just one ordinary galaxy among billions. People think that we are somehow blessed or special, so of course the Creator Of The Universe must have set aside this little corner of the universe just for us.
If the Earth were destroyed tomorrow, the universe would neither miss us nor mourn our passing. Would you notice one grain of sand missing from the beach? We are so arrogant to think we are special, and that supremely powerful beings look after us.
We are not special; we are simply the result of a chemical accident billions of years ago, in a place where the conditions were right for life to flourish. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by djmetatron
i've read the last one. very good book, you should check it out. i'm thinking about the first one.
they simply use scientific research as well and educated psycological understanding to support what is clearly evident from what lex400sc said. |
Ill try to pick up that second one at the library this week.
and I dont even necessarily disagree with you here, I just wanted to know if you were putting it at the level of personal belief or universal truth. There are different levels of required analysis for the various levels of how hard youre pushing it.
The only thing I would say is that a lot of the Christian faith is based on Jesus' personal ministry and that thats not quite the same as believing in a God and trying to tap into His being to gain knowledge. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by djmetatron
ffs you miss the mark a lot. he was being cute ya dullard. |
Im quite aware of what he was doing, and he was doing it poorly. Try not to get personal, it adds nothing and takes away much. |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
yes because clearly a fairytale written by monks 2000 years ago is a better argument than scientific fact. :stongue: |
And you do realize the blunder you just made?
It is not merely scientific fact but a pure and simple theory that we as humans are the results of millions of years of so called evolution.
Free to each and everyone to think what they want but evolution could be as bogus as the world could be round.
We think we know but truthfully none of us have any idea.!!! |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
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Interesting. I would ask, like the others why you have reached that conclusion. Mine isnt any more groundshaking than others. I looked and read and just came to a different conclusion. Im not saying that I am right (although I do enjoy the lifestyle) but when people come out making claims that not only are they right, but the other is wrong, there needs to be a little more. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Interesting. I would ask, like the others why you have reached that conclusion. Mine isnt any more groundshaking than others. I looked and read and just came to a different conclusion. Im not saying that I am right (although I do enjoy the lifestyle) but when people come out making claims that not only are they right, but the other is wrong, there needs to be a little more. |
I came to my conclusion because it just makes more sense to me. The bible to me is putrid.
I saw a terrible, sinful God --a jealous, violent, short-tempered, vengeful being whose behavior is nonsensical and overly meddlesome and unenlightening.
In general, no divinely inspired text would be so long and rambling and hard to understand--wise men speak clearly, brilliantly, their ability at communication is measured by their success at making themselves readily understood. The Bible is full of the superfluous--extensive geneologies of no relevance to the meaning of life or the nature of the universe, long excurses on barbaric rituals of bloodletting and taboo that have nothing to do with being a good person or advancing society toward greater happiness, lengthy diatribes against long-dead nations and constant harping on a coming doom and gloom. I asked myself: would any wise, compassionate being even allow this book to be attributed to him, much less be its author?
What was most pungent was the immorality of the Bible. Though called a wise father, there is not a single example in the Old Testament of God sitting down and kindly teaching anyone, and when asked by Job, the best of men, to explain why He went out of His way to hurt a good man by every possible means, including killing his loved ones, this "wise father" spews arrogant rhetorical questions, ultimately implying nothing more than "might makes right" as his only excuse. I revulsed in horror at this demonic monster portrayed here. He was worthy of universal condemnation, not worship. |
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