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lol @ christianity (pg. 4)
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| Sunsnail |
I love the wording
"Tiny living cells somehow multiplied and changed to make varieties of creatures" |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
i've accepted that free-thinkers will always be the minority and people will continue to believe simply because it's the EASIEST thing to do. |
I think youd find the walk of being a decent Christian is very difficult. Forgiving people is not in our nature.
All your arguments are based off of a limited time frame, with no actual sources or evidence. This "simple" psychology you speak of has been debated for millenia and I find very little about the human mind to be categorized as such.
and I wouldn't say that beleiving in a creator impedes knowledge. Hawking, for example... |
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| lex400sc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
I think youd find the walk of being a decent Christian is very difficult. Forgiving people is not in our nature.
All your arguments are based off of a limited time frame, with no actual sources or evidence. This "simple" psychology you speak of has been debated for millenia and I find very little about the human mind to be categorized as such.
and I wouldn't say that beleiving in a creator impedes knowledge. Hawking, for example... |
lol thanks for glazing over all the main points in my post and going straight for the irrelevant and inconsequential ones... another aspect of human psychology :haha:
i think hitler said it best: "belief is harder to shake than knowledge" |
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| lex400sc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Science is pretty good these days. Saying that 600 years ago science was practically religion, doesnt mean that penicillin doesnt work and rocketry is based on guesses.
But, Like I said, this all has nothing to do with the ministry of Jesus. Its all what bored people argue for pretenses at being philosophers. Should have no bearing on issues of faith or the daily walk. |
if you want to follow the teachings and philosophy of jesus, that's perfectly awesome. but to deify him is to be religious and organized religion in practice hardly ever crosses paths with the true teachings of jesus. it's all ritual, routine and worship... you find yourself in that sort of pattern and you'll never change or grow |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
lol thanks for glazing over all the main points in my post and going straight for the irrelevant and inconsequential ones... another aspect of human psychology :haha:
i think hitler said it best: "belief is harder to shake than knowledge" |
I read your post. You speak of irrelevance as if some things in there WERE relevant. I saw nothing more than you bloviating about some ideas you came up regarding some ancient myths you read about in highschool. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
if you want to follow the teachings and philosophy of jesus, that's perfectly awesome. but to deify him is to be religious and organized religion in practice hardly ever crosses paths with the true teachings of jesus. it's all ritual, routine and worship... you find yourself in that sort of pattern and you'll never change or grow |
Christianity, as I see was a departure from the catholic model you seem to be associating it with. |
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| djmetatron |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
it's simple human psychology... the less you know about something the more mythology you make up in its place... at least at the societal level. look at every other "hip" religion of it's time that came and went... the romans: didn't know about such uncontrollable concepts as love, war, the sun, the moon, the sky, the stars, comets, the oceans, thunder & lightening, etc etc etc... so in order to help them cope with such things they personified them into deities because it's much easier to deal with something that has a human face, a name and an agenda for you to work with. you can't explain a massive storm that destroys your town, well if you can't explain it then you live in perpetual fear that it can happen again and again and again at any moment. who needs the stress? so you rationalize it as an angry god and attempt to appease him. well the more science taught humanity, the fewer gods we needed to help cope with the meathook realities of life. ultimately what are we left with today? what don't we understand and probably never will? what happens after you die. it's so grim to think you just decompose like everything else in nature, so we created a soul, a loving god, an epic and poetic struggle between good and evil, ten commandments, stories of sacrifice, stories of miracle and hope, a universe that was made just for us. such a romantic tale, and i'm sure it helped millions of people cope with the pain and suffering of plagues and famine and wars, but in the end it's just false hopes. religion impedes the progress of humanity by asserting that all the important questions of origin are already known. well not that i really care what the hell anyone believes. i've accepted that free-thinkers will always be the minority and people will continue to believe simply because it's the EASIEST thing to do. |
good post man. if people can't see this they obviously aren't looking hard enough. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by djmetatron
good post man. if people can't see this they obviously aren't looking hard enough. |
If he were to show the progression from nothing to a specific deity, and then show that process replicated and point out patterns in that progression, it would be a valid argument. Right now its just kind 'Heres the feeling I get' and youre resonating with it.
There are no sources, no research, and no shown knowledge. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
If he were to show the progression from nothing to a specific deity, and then show that process replicated and point out patterns in that progression, it would be a valid argument. Right now its just kind 'Heres the feeling I get' and youre resonating with it.
There are no sources, no research, and no shown knowledge. |
+1 |
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| djmetatron |
| quote: | Originally posted by Protege
There is no way to know which one is true, its just whatever you believe. |
but this is such a cop-out. you can't muddle this argument into two sides that believe differen't but equally unprovable things.
science and evolution is the collection of data and tested theory. the religious side is simply a story.
i realize that religion has helped people cope with the hardships of life, but religious people have to grow and accept the facts of science and realize that with time science will discover things that, while being very helpful in life, may be contrary to their beliefs. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by djmetatron
but this is such a cop-out. you can't muddle this argument into two sides that believe differen't but equally unprovable things.
science and evolution is the collection of data and tested theory. the religious side is simply a story.
i realize that religion has helped people cope with the hardships of life, but religious people have to grow and accept the facts of science and realize that with time science will discover things that, while being very helpful in life, may be contrary to their beliefs. |
i'm actually on the non-religious side of things...
but once again just as orbax said...
it's a little ironic that you are rejecting the idea of religion because there is no factual evidence, yet you are justifying the opposing view in this thread with similar constructions in thought, which without support is also conjecture and unproven... |
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| djmetatron |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
If he were to show the progression from nothing to a specific deity, and then show that process replicated and point out patterns in that progression, it would be a valid argument. Right now its just kind 'Heres the feeling I get' and youre resonating with it.
There are no sources, no research, and no shown knowledge. |
there has been much research on this subject, the psycological human need for religion. you simply want him to be an expert in the subject and cite sources immediately to breakdown his argument. a sign of weakness.
really though, this theory is best evidenced with the history of religion and the fact that no one religion over thousands of years has stood the test of time. it has to constantly change to keep up with scientific fact. |
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