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Barrie Teen runs away, parents blame Video Games (pg. 19)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
For cause of death, I understand... but to ID the body? |
they've said nothing about the condition of the body... perhaps animals got it... |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by activate
they've said nothing about the condition of the body... perhaps animals got it... |
it was a ghost. with a big freaking poleaxe |
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| gummybear |
I think there is more at play here..you can't outright blame the game..if that were the case..then every kid who played these games would become addicted and out of control....I know for a fact that there are many, many who do not take it to that level..
you have to consider family background, the kids mental health....whether the he/she is suffering from mental, emotional or physical abuse....whether there is drug or alcohol abuse.....so many factors to consider..
blaming the games is like blaming alcohol for the alcoholic...it's a cop out in my opinion..something went wrong for this kid at some point..it may have been his family..his peer group...or even just his own messed up head...but i firmly believe that people have to stop laying blame on external sources for their children's issues......to hold these games accountable for this tragedy is just another form of people putting their heads in the sand.... families need to look inward before they start pointing fingers outward...
either way..i feel horrible for the family...and for this boy..may he rest in peace.. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
I wasn't judging, if that was aimed at me. I am merely discussing the fact that I believe those types of games are more detrimental to young minds than an adult would understand.
Exactly |
Well I can discuss the fact that I believe that visions of sugar plums dance in your head all day but it doesn't mean I'm right. And what I dont get is this, you say us adults find it hard to understand how it affects young minds, yet you out of all of us have this understanding that it is definitely detrimental...am I missing something here? im not gonna deny the fact that it may or may not be, but to just say it like that is nothing more than opinion. A poorly informed one at that.
Dont agree with the ratings systems, its a very poor system by which I find companies and ratings board do to save their own asses in court. This game is mildly at worse +15, there are millions of worse games that I can spew off the top of my head that a child should never touch in a million years due to inappropriate context. This game is like a bloodless Saving Private Ryan. A movie I would let my 13-15 year old to watch with me. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Well that is exactly it, you asked about an autopsy, and that is what is taking so long. |
No, an autopsy to confirm and ID, not a COD autopsy.
I now heard on the radio they currently waiting on dental records to confirm ID.
It's pretty clear now his face and possibly his body was consumed by wildlife, given they don't suspect foul play (they are confirming the latter with the autopsy as well however, like Yohan expressed). |
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| DeleteFromUsers |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Ear
Cause of death in this case appears to be stupidity.
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Well I can discuss the fact that I believe that visions of sugar plums dance in your head all day but it doesn't mean I'm right. And what I dont get is this, you say us adults find it hard to understand how it affects young minds, yet you out of all of us have this understanding that it is definitely detrimental...am I missing something here? im not gonna deny the fact that it may or may not be, but to just say it like that is nothing more than opinion. A poorly informed one at that.
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I think you need to go back to school and learn to read. I, on more than one occasion, have said I believe the game would have had 'more to do with' the story than the game's fans on here were saying. Not that it is to blame wholeheartedly for his death.
Lines for you;
This game obviously meant a lot more to him than it is intended to....
Open your mind to the possibility that the game had more to do with it than you initially said (nothing, could have been a bike).
More detrimental to young minds than an adult would understand
As for your 'Saving Private Ryan' line, that is a movie, not a game where you are the soldier fighting with other 'real' people. You may (or may not) be able to distinguish between reality and fantasy but that doesn't mean this young man could. Stop being defensive and if you're joining this (formerly) adult debate, at least have the decency to understand another point of view.
And yes, sugar plums do dance in my head all day and sometimes I even join them, dressed as a fairy with pink wings. You rude . |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
And yes, sugar plums do dance in my head all day and sometimes I even join them, dressed as a fairy with pink wings. You rude . |
Halloween 2009 |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Halloween 2009 |
I actually missed this year as I was super sick so I may have a costume party in November :) Great idea ;) |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
I think you need to go back to school and learn to read. I, on more than one occasion, have said I believe the game would have had 'more to do with' the story than the game's fans on here were saying. Not that it is to blame wholeheartedly for his death.
Lines for you;
This game obviously meant a lot more to him than it is intended to....
Open your mind to the possibility that the game had more to do with it than you initially said (nothing, could have been a bike).
More detrimental to young minds than an adult would understand
As for your 'Saving Private Ryan' line, that is a movie, not a game where you are the soldier fighting with other 'real' people. You may (or may not) be able to distinguish between reality and fantasy but that doesn't mean this young man could. Stop being defensive and if you're joining this (formerly) adult debate, at least have the decency to understand another point of view.
And yes, sugar plums do dance in my head all day and sometimes I even join them, dressed as a fairy with pink wings. You rude . |
So let me get this straight, you first tell me, that your discussing the fact that you believe? how about we just shorten that to...I believe that yada yada etc..., You see. I dont need to be reminded its a fact your being in ignorant twat. Secondly, the post wasnt directly aimed at you, but since you were last to post something I wanted to counter against, I decided to reply to yours only instead. Dont take it too personal since none of the other dimwitted cronies of your side of the argument dont want to partake.
I think you skipped over the part where I wrote "im not gonna deny the fact that it may or may not be (right), but to just say it like that is nothing more than opinion". But since that flew over your head, im gonna open my mind to the possibilities right now (/goes into zen like state). Now...I'm in my zen like state, ahhhhhuuuuuummmmmm...I still do not see this possibility... it aint working.
How about we do something easier now. You explain to me why it is you think this specific game has retarded this boy in some other way than creating an addiction problem to something that was taken away abruptly. I mean I cant spoon feed this anymore so than I am right now. So instead of just re-iterating your point again on top of mine, like as if its better and should be taken without questioning. Tell me im wrong and why, or explain your point better, with a counter argument to why I think your reason is bull. Its very simple.
Im not in much mood to take apart your argument point by point, buts lets see here "those types of games are more detrimental to young minds than an adult would understand", you must of meant, "video games in general are more detrimental to young minds than the average parent realizes". Millions of adults and kids play those/FPS and dont develop problem addiction to where they go die from not playing, so give me a break, its a ty vague response to attack a game to which you dont even know the actual genre, let alone the content of it.
"The game meant more to him then intended", well no , but how is that fault to this specific video game to know how much its going to affect specific kids, this is something HIS parents...and ONLY HIS PARENTS, should of dealt with in a proper fashion.
This game has as much fault for his death as that broken bike, or the weather for being so damn cold.
If im wrong, then explain yourself better, or maybe find a study that maybe helps your point, im not unable to listen or read any point that makes sense, its just youre being ignorant right now and refuse to admit it. Again im going to say my point, the game had nothing to do with the kids death outside of his addiction to gaming itself, which was a problem. And its not because of the specific game, because the game itself doesnt play on addictive traits of other video games where time=progression. |
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| teufel-man |
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Hypothermia suspected in Brandon Crisp's death
TheStar.com - Ontario - Hypothermia suspected in Brandon Crisp's death
BILL SANDFORD FOR THE TORONTO STAR
An OPP cruiser guards the farm where Brandon Crisp's body was found. A memorial was set up on-site. (Nov. 6, 2008) November 07, 2008
Robyn Doolittle
Staff Reporter
The body was resting in reeds nearly as tall as the deer hunters who found it.
The hunter who stumbled upon the grim find picked up his walkie-talkie and radioed the others who were scattered around the bush.
"I found something," he said in a shaky voice. "It's a boy, 15, maybe 14. His shoes are on. There's a backpack."
They immediately knew who it was – Brandon Crisp.
Brandon's fully clothed body appeared so neat, his clothing so unsullied, the hunters thought that, although he'd clearly been there a while, he couldn't possibly have been out there for three weeks, the time he'd been missing since running away from his Barrie home Thanksgiving Monday.
He looked to be at peace – something that would be consistent with hypothermia, which some investigators are quietly speculating could well have been the cause of death.
A post-mortem is scheduled for today.
Brandon was last seen about three kilometres southwest of where the group, local men who had set out around 9:30 a.m, was hunting deer.
"We'd only been out there about 20 minutes," said one of the men.
They were hunting in a wooded area between Oro-Medonte line 4 and 5, about a kilometre north of the Oro trail. The woods are bordered by cornfields and tall, brown grass, the perfect hiding place for deer. And Brandon's body.
"You could have missed it even from five feet away," the hunter said. "It's heartbreaking. It shouldn't have ended this way," he said, his eyes filling with tears.
The hunters called OPP from one of the men's nearby homes. Police arrived around 10:30 a.m. and the homeowner drove the detectives to the site on his ATV.
Police have said they aren't ruling out anything, but based on preliminary evidence they aren't expecting this to be homicide. Sources familiar with the case said a leading theory is that the boy became disoriented and died of hypothermia, an abnormally low body temperature.
Brandon ran away after his parents took away his Xbox. Angelika and Steve Crisp later explained the Grade 10 student had become addicted to a popular online game, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.
Infuriated, the teen threatened to leave. Sure the boy was bluffing, Steve helped Brandon pack his bag.
"I really thought he would be home later that day with his tail between his legs," the distraught father told the Star two weeks ago.
The 15-year-old was last seen on a biking trail between Barrie and Orillia, between Oro-Medonte Line 2 and 3. Hundreds of local volunteers and police scoured the region, combing through acres of brush between Line 1 and Line 10. But, said Sgt. Dave Goodbrand, the focus was always on the area near the trail.
Civilian-led search teams had canvassed the area where the body was found, but the ground is marsh-like and the terrain uneven.
Marguerite Watson had been out searching too, but she and her husband, Roy, are elderly and could only watch the roads. It was at the very back of her property, past the cornfield, that Brandon was found. OPP set up a command post at the farm.
"All along. All this time," she said, her voice cracking. "A 15-year-old boy was found on our property. You have no idea how upsetting ..."
In town, students gathered for a morning mass at St. Joseph's High School. Principal Matt McCann said Wednesday was one of the toughest days of his career.
"I feel very numb," he said. "We knew when the police came to get the girls (Crisp's sisters who are students at the school) in the morning that that wasn't a good sign."
At about 12:30 p.m. officers contacted the school and confirmed McCann's worst fears. "We took about 20 minutes to figure out what we were going to say and then called everyone together," he said.
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
So let me get this straight, you first tell me, that your discussing the fact that you believe? how about we just shorten that to...I believe that yada yada etc..., You see. I dont need to be reminded its a fact your being in ignorant twat. Secondly, the post wasnt directly aimed at you, but since you were last to post something I wanted to counter against, I decided to reply to yours only instead. Dont take it too personal since none of the other dimwitted cronies of your side of the argument dont want to partake.
I think you skipped over the part where I wrote "im not gonna deny the fact that it may or may not be (right), but to just say it like that is nothing more than opinion". But since that flew over your head, im gonna open my mind to the possibilities right now (/goes into zen like state). Now...I'm in my zen like state, ahhhhhuuuuuummmmmm...I still do not see this possibility... it aint working.
How about we do something easier now. You explain to me why it is you think this specific game has retarded this boy in some other way than creating an addiction problem to something that was taken away abruptly. I mean I cant spoon feed this anymore so than I am right now. So instead of just re-iterating your point again on top of mine, like as if its better and should be taken without questioning. Tell me im wrong and why, or explain your point better, with a counter argument to why I think your reason is bull. Its very simple.
Im not in much mood to take apart your argument point by point, buts lets see here "those types of games are more detrimental to young minds than an adult would understand", you must of meant, "video games in general are more detrimental to young minds than the average parent realizes". Millions of adults and kids play those/FPS and dont develop problem addiction to where they go die from not playing, so give me a break, its a ty vague response to attack a game to which you dont even know the actual genre, let alone the content of it.
"The game meant more to him then intended", well no , but how is that fault to this specific video game to know how much its going to affect specific kids, this is something HIS parents...and ONLY HIS PARENTS, should of dealt with in a proper fashion.
This game has as much fault for his death as that broken bike, or the weather for being so damn cold.
If im wrong, then explain yourself better, or maybe find a study that maybe helps your point, im not unable to listen or read any point that makes sense, its just youre being ignorant right now and refuse to admit it. Again im going to say my point, the game had nothing to do with the kids death outside of his addiction to gaming itself, which was a problem. And its not because of the specific game, because the game itself doesnt play on addictive traits of other video games where time=progression. |
I really can't be bothered to respond to this diatribe of crap but I am going to, for the last time. I can't prove anything to back up my belief right now but then again, neither can you for yours. Honestly, your comprehension is in question again as I have never spoken of this game in particular, just these types of games.
Stop likening this game to a bike. This wasn't a bike, it was a game he was addicted to that was having a detrimental effect on his life, schoolwork, relationship with parents - are you telling me the same could happen for a bike?
Parenting is in question, sure, but just as I have never played these games, neither will have most parents so how do you expect them to understand fully until it is too late???? (Although I would MAKE it my business if I was his mommy)
You may respond, I am sure you will want the last word but I will let you know that I won't be responding to you again.
teufel-man, how sad that we had those cold temperatures and yet it has been balmy since. Poor Brandon. Poor parents.
EDIT: Even psychologists can't agree
http://allpsych.com/journal/violentmedia.html |
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