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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Why the hell can't people just make one film and leave it like that? I can't remember the last time a good story became a trilogy anyway...
Kryp, it is a "liberal hippy fest"! |
Oh noez, a profound social problem is touched upon by a film! God help us! |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Oh noez, a profound social problem is touched upon by a film! God help us! |
Touched poorly, you mean, because the film is anything but deep and profound... watching avatar for its social criticism is like watching 2012 for the Mayan mythology! |
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| djnitride |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
You'v got to be kidding me.
Economics 101: Negative externality"; when a transaction negatively affects a third party.
It's not just the buyer and seller who are always affected by the transaction and often isn't. There is such a thing as exploitation of those who do not control wealth. |
Dark side of capitalism is one single thing.
Capitalism feeds on conflict (Business versus business, nation vs nation, people vs people)
Capitalism pays no heed to the weak willed, bringing the strong to the top. Althought that is the reality of our chaotic world anyways (natural selection, etc) |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Touched poorly, you mean, because the film is anything but deep and profound... watching avatar for its social criticism is like watching 2012 for the Mayan mythology! |
How are you going to me what I mean? I meant what I meant.
You used a bad comparison either way. Mayan mythology? We'r talking about social problems here. Not some ancient mythology which won't mean when 2013 rolls around. |
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| DaRoZa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
Capitalism doesn't have a dark side. :) The "darkness" only emerges when government/force inserts itself into the equation.
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what a load of . can you namedrop any economic/sociological thinkers who you think would support this quote?
where capitalism exists there will inevitably be a minority that own the means of production. history has shown the remaining majority pretty much always gets shafted. this relationship was well in progress before any modern (western i guess) government/aristocracy formed. there was this interesting time called the feudal ages that explains it best. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by djnitride
Dark side of capitalism is one single thing.
Capitalism feeds on conflict (Business versus business, nation vs nation, people vs people)
Capitalism pays no heed to the weak willed, bringing the strong to the top. Althought that is the reality of our chaotic world anyways (natural selection, etc) |
Exploitation is pretty much the nature of any economic system, capitalism, communism, etc. It's just, who gets exploited, and by how much. The goal for all systems is to reach something like Pereto Optimality, where resources are allocated in such a way that no-one can be made better off without sacrificing the well-being of at least one person or some third party. Absolutely speaking, it's impossible, but is something sensible societies strive towards. |
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| SuspicionVandit |
here's a picture of michelle dela cruz valenzuela santa maria christo playa vera rodriguez in a bikini
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| djnitride |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Exploitation is pretty much the nature of any economic system, capitalism, communism, etc. It's just, who gets exploited, and by how much. The goal for all systems is to reach something like Pereto Optimality, where resources are allocated in such a way that no-one can be made better off without sacrificing the well-being of at least one person or some third party. Absolutely speaking, it's impossible, but is something sensible societies strive towards. |
Problem is when a society drifts to far in that direction, they are conquered in one way or another by a society that does not share the same ideal.
And that is bound to happen, as people strive for a sense of individuality instead of being just like everyone else. Some people wan't to be far above what is expected (nothing wrong with that). Some can't sit idle and want to change the word... just the nature of things. |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaRoZa
where capitalism exists there will inevitably be a minority that own the means of production. history has shown the remaining majority pretty much always gets shafted. this relationship was well in progress before any modern (western i guess) government/aristocracy formed. there was this interesting time called the feudal ages that explains it best. |
Put down the commie manifesto and look at the real world my man. Every country thrives to the extent that they allow markets to function. The "means of production" are not a natural resource that exist without cause.. They require an environment favorable to growth and wealth creation (and yes, wealth IS created..It does not exist in a static quantity as many lefties seem to think). If you condemn the profit motive and choke off economic liberty, you can certainly rid yourself of the "exploiters"..but don't expect the "means of production" to remain in existence for very long. |
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| djnitride |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
Put down the commie manifesto and look at the real world my man. Every country thrives to the extent that they allow markets to function. The "means of production" are not a natural resource that exist without cause.. They require an environment favorable to growth and wealth creation (and yes, wealth IS created..It does not exist in a static quantity as many lefties seem to think). If you condemn the profit motive and choke off economic liberty, you can certainly rid yourself of the "exploiters"..but don't expect the "means of production" to remain in existence for very long. |
Right on.... |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
Put down the commie manifesto and look at the real world my man. Every country thrives to the extent that they allow markets to function. The "means of production" are not a natural resource that exist without cause.. They require an environment favorable to growth and wealth creation (and yes, wealth IS created..It does not exist in a static quantity as many lefties seem to think). If you condemn the profit motive and choke off economic liberty, you can certainly rid yourself of the "exploiters"..but don't expect the "means of production" to remain in existence for very long. |
The point is you'r assertion that, "capitalism doesn't have a dark side" is blatantly false. Exploitation of those who do not own the means of production does exist and is negative for those affected by it. Not to mention the concept of negative externalities which I already touched upon. Oil companies make a deal with the Nigerian government to drill for oil in the country. Meanwhile, the locals get to enjoy pools of oil from leaking pipelines, destroyed environment, and see no benefit whatsoever from the buyer's (oil companies) and seller's (Nigerian government) business transaction. Fortunately, the people decided to rebel instead of take it up the ass. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by djnitride
Problem is when a society drifts to far in that direction, they are conquered in one way or another by a society that does not share the same ideal.
And that is bound to happen, as people strive for a sense of individuality instead of being just like everyone else. Some people wan't to be far above what is expected (nothing wrong with that). Some can't sit idle and want to change the word... just the nature of things. |
Same thing happens the other way around. When a state of oligarchy exists in which the wealthy elite own most of the means of production to the detriment of the poor majority, social instability can lead to full blown revolution, or some other negative social situation. The key is to find the right balance between free markets and preventing too much power and resources concentrating in an elite few. Some call it, equality of opportunity. |
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