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Israel up to their shenanigans again (pg. 15)
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| DjWhooCares |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Is there a better source on the Turkish Navy escorts? :conf:
That blip sounded more like a poorly worded dvd back cover. |
haha yeah
well i found this also
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| Joss Weatherby |
OK I'll trust it when I see it on Reuters, BBC, and the AP. :p
That source seems more reactionary that even I am. :p Syrian ballistic missiles... :wtf: |
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| Chimney |
Israel is not the kind of country that doesn't admit mistakes, althrough it's widely known they are trigger-happy. And who can blame them?
There is still pretty much lack of clarification to what really happened. As far as the video released by Israel's government states and shows, the people on the boat started attacking them with iron pipes. However there is also said that the soldiers from the helicopters were the first to shoot.
Nevertheless, Israel is dealing this fine, releasing people that have no implication in the whole ordeal. |
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| Zombikiller |
| Once Iran gets nukes Isreal better watch their back... |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | The details of precisely what happened before dawn on the deck of the Mavi Marmara streamed in throughout Monday, and some were still unclear as night fell. How many pro-Palestinian activists participated in the attacks on the naval commandos who abseiled from helicopters onto the Turkish ship – the one vessel where the soldiers, armed with paintball guns, encountered heavy violence? Which weapons were wielded by the mobs on the ship – “just” pipes, stones and knives, or guns, too? Were the gunshot wounds sustained by some of the commandos fired from their own handguns, which had been seized by the violent activists? Or were some of those on this “humanitarian” mission armed?
Although so much remained to be clarified, there could be no doubt that the injury and loss of life were a premeditated act not by Israeli armed forces, who had been repeatedly told to exercise restraint, but by those on the Mavi Marmara.
Nonetheless, unsurprisingly, much of the international community rushed to pass judgment, and found Israel guilty. It was as if a pent-up torrent of rabid anti-Israel hatred had finally found its release. And the criticism, of course, will be understood as legitimation for the most violent of the activists, emboldening further such incidents.
WITHIN HOURS of the confrontation at sea, Turkey ordered its ambassador out of Israel, endangering 61 years of diplomatic relations. The Turkish government, of course, was to some extent a sponsor of the flotilla, and its stance on Israel has become viciously hostile since Operation Cast Lead a year and a half ago. Demonic depictions of the IDF have become a feature of the country’s popular culture, in Turkish-produced TV dramas such as Valley of the Wolves, Separation: Palestine in Love and War and Ayrilik that have aired on Turkey’s state-run TV station.
Now, Jews living in Turkey are being advised to remain indoors. Israel has issued an alert, warning its citizens not to travel to Turkey out of fear they might be singled out for attack.
Closer to home, Israel’s hard-earned diplomatic relations with Jordan and Egypt might be hurt as the Arab League calls an emergency meeting slated for Tuesday. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s choice of the word “slaughter” to describe what happened sheds renewed doubt on the fragile beginnings of peace negotiations with the Palestinians.
And amid rioting in Wadi Ara, Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch is warning of possible conflagrations inside Israel instigated by Arab Israelis, reminiscent of the first and second intifadas.
In Europe, Britain’s Foreign Secretary William Hague “deplored” the loss of life – a relatively mild reaction. France asserted that “nothing could justify” the military operations against a “humanitarian initiative.” Sweden, Greece, Iceland, Germany, Denmark and Italy also criticized Israel in varying degrees, while Catherine Ashton, the EU’s high representative for foreign affairs, called for the lifting of the Israeli blockade on Gaza, foreshadowing the pressure Israel will be under in coming days as the EU prepares to convene an emergency meeting to discuss the ramifications of the Mavi Marmara incident. Spain, the current EU president, branded the storming of the flotilla “unacceptable.”
In this atmosphere, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s decision to cut short his trip abroad, cancelling a planned meeting with President Barack Obama in Washington, was unavoidable.
WHAT HAPPENED on the Mavi Marmara was tragic. But it did not justify the international response. Israel left Gaza in 2005, removing every civilian and every military remnant. It would have no quarrel with Gaza if it had not faced relentless missile attacks from the Strip, and if the Hamas government there were not arming itself at every opportunity in pursuit of its declared goal of Israel’s elimination.
Israel’s restrictions on the flow of people and material into Gaza stem solely from the need to prevent the arming of Hamas and its terrorist allies. That was why the “Freedom flotilla” was intercepted, and that was why Israel had offered to transport the supplies aboard the six vessels over land once they had been checked.
The premeditated refusal of those aboard one of the ships to act peacefully when confronted by IDF troops was the trigger for the violence at sea. Confronted with such violence when they had been expecting non-violent protests, or at worst, low-level clashes, it is doubtful that the soldiers of any of the nations that rushed to criticize Israel would have acted any differently. Indeed, it is likely that the consequences would have been considerably worse. |
source: jpost.com. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
This is why Asians will rule the world eventually, they have the communal idea down. Its about the greater good, the community! |
Interesting how 80% of China follows a religion, with more or less the same % in the rest of the Asian countries, if not more (e.g. Japan, Taiwan, Korea, etc.) |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombikiller
Once Iran gets nukes Isreal better watch their back... |
what nukes? I thought Ahmadinejad said they were enriching plutonium for "peaceful" purposes?
Wait, did anyone explain this whole "peace" thing to these wonderful representatives of "the religion of peace"? I think they may have a wrong understanding of the concept of "peace". |
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| Domesticated |
| aNYthing, flying the flag for Israel because you're Jewish doesn't convince anyone. It makes you sound like a biased moron. |
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| aNYthing |
Before I wipe and flush, some parting words:
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and run a conspiracy theory by you. What better way to further isolate Israel then to pull a stunt like this at this time? Get Israel to bite the bait, get more stirred up and effectively tie Israel's hands from considering attacking Iranian nuke facilities out of fear of even further isolation? I cannot think of too many so obviously win-win situations for Iran:
1. If flotilla gets through, it opens the gates for more like it
2. If flotilla doesn't gets through, it exposes Israel as opressor yet again, resulting in further condemnation of Israel
3. If gets out of hand, this sort of situation will also play to Iran's advantage or at least buy some more time to finish developing the nukes.
I see a man behind the curtain... but most of you only want to see the puppets. |
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| zoogla |
| whoa, thanks for taking the blinds off for me...the whole world is definitely cooperating with Iran as part of this conspiracy. yeahhhh. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
aNYthing, flying the flag for Israel because you're Jewish doesn't convince anyone. It makes you sound like a biased moron. |
ok. Let's take Israel out of the equation.
Name a country that would be willing to react differently, had circumstances been the same.
Let's take China: imagine peace flotilla bringing aid to Tibetian monks and acting out the same.
Imagine peace flotilla bringing aid to North Korea through South Korean waters and acting out the same.
Imagine Peace Flotilla bringing aid to Cyprus through Turkish borders and acting out the same.
Imagine dozens of other similar scenarios around the world - which country would get as much as Israel?
I am biased as much as the rest of the world is biased. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
whoa, thanks for taking the blinds off for me...the whole world is definitely cooperating with Iran as part of this conspiracy. yeahhhh. |
that's not what I said. I think Iran may be involved in staging this initiative. It's no secret it sponsors many anti-Israeli activities around the world... Including media, press, and other means. But even if it wasn't involved in this one, you must admit that situation sure plays out in Iranian favor. |
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