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Israel up to their shenanigans again (pg. 22)
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| leph555 |
| Pirates are cool, head |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
with all due respect, I beg to differ and present to you the following: |
I think he was kidding. It's a well known fact the reason why jews have been pushed around for thousands of years is because they are pussies. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by leph555
Pirates are cool, head |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
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That's cool. Is that you? |
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| zoogla |
| yeah, costume shop in key west (see avatar) |
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| Marcus Summers |
| you look like someone i knew in kandahar but more groomed |
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| zoogla |
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's actually a battlefield tactic of asymmetric warfare called hugging - the deliberate placement of battle formations closely with civilian non-combatants in order to achieve a spectacle of mass murder. Unfortunately it does little to satisfy an important requirement for guerrilla warfare, which is to keep civilian losses caused by friendly action to a quiet minimum. Even though what they are seeking, and getting to a degree, is a drastic over-reaction resulting in civilian casualties, hugging loses the significance of that because it stages such travesties.
Were it a more plain over-reaction resulting in carpet bombing of a clearly civilian area, the responses would be quite different. But that's not what's occurring. It serves little purpose not to make the distinction between the two. When the end goal of the underdog is so unrealistic and their tactics so egregious - to the point of being quite counter-productive in the end game - there is little chance of developing the sort of public pressure necessary to a successful Guerrilla strategy. Instead, what the Palestinians have achieved is a clearly bifurcated public response, in both the United States and Israel, which applies more pressure for military action than it does restraint. |
Again, Hamas cannot fight Israel on the open field of battle. They are going to fight where they have a chance. Logically, that means withdrawing into an urban environment where the Israelis cannot bring their weaponry to bear. That's just common sense for Hamas' tacticians. The fact that civilians die en masse is just a convenient mistake for Hamas. It is one tool in their toolbox. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
That's just common sense for Hamas' tacticians. The fact that civilians die en masse is just a convenient mistake for Hamas. It is one tool in their toolbox. |
But one which is unsuccessful. Civilian casualties are almost a necessary part of any guerrilla war. The May Lai Massacre is a supreme example of a successful result for a guerrilla strategy. Of note in that example is the extreme absence of guerrillas from within the civilian population.
Hugging the civilians, however; using them as human shields and not taking care to avoid them - which Hamas did several times during the Israeli incursion into South Lebanon - is bad PR. It didn't win them sympathy and exposed Hamas as nothing less than war-mongering fanatics who placed importance on themselves above the population they were supposedly fighting for. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
But one which is unsuccessful. Civilian casualties are almost a necessary part of any guerrilla war. The May Lai Massacre is a supreme example of a successful result for a guerrilla strategy. Of note in that example is the extreme absence of guerrillas from within the civilian population.
Hugging the civilians, however; using them as human shields and not taking care to avoid them - which Hamas did several times during the Israeli incursion into South Lebanon - is bad PR. It didn't win them sympathy and exposed Hamas as nothing less than war-mongering fanatics who placed importance on themselves above the population they were supposedly fighting for. |
If Hamas systematically uses human shield tactics, I don't think they would have such wide-spread support among Palestinians. It's not Hamas bombing and bulldozing houses. It's the IDF. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
If Hamas systematically uses human shield tactics, I don't think they would have such wide-spread support among Palestinians. It's not Hamas bombing and bulldozing houses. It's the IDF. |
Never underestimate the fact that love is often substituted for fear. Hamas doesn't have the best record with its own population in terms of fairness. I'm not saying they don't enjoy legitimate support. When you're part of a consistently and radically traumatized population supporting the devil you know is often a matter of survival. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Never underestimate the fact that love is often substituted for fear. Hamas doesn't have the best record with its own population in terms of fairness. I'm not saying they don't enjoy legitimate support. When you're part of a consistently and radically traumatized population supporting the devil you know is often a matter of survival. |
Agreed. People under siege want a strong man and Hamas is that strong man. The blockade is unsustainable and is as effective as the US embargo on Cuba, which is to say, it's useless. Israel should have let the flotilla through. |
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