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Massive Quake Hits Japan! (pg. 45)
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
Well I thought the comment was much needed and spot on. ;)
Nobody denies that praying people's hearts are in the right place, but the absurdity of praying to an omniscient/omnipotent being always strikes me as rather pointless and a bit conceited. Honestly guys, do you think you know something your god doesn't? If a god exists, he designed the universe, the planet, and knew about every factor involved in this tsunami long before it took place. Being omniscient and omnipotent, he knew what the consequences would be and could have prevented the earthquake if he chose to, but he obviously wanted it to happen. Why should he change his mind now? If he were to hear your pleas and and alter his plans for the aftermath, wouldn't that imply he wasn't omniscient or that made some sort of mistake in the first place? What kind of theological implications would that have for ya?
Every comment that disabuses people of the notion that prayer has any effect is a positive thing in my book. Sure it may hurt feelings and cause a few outraged scowls in the short run, but in order to make a difference in the long run, we need to move towards a world where people deal with reality on reality's terms, take whatever practical action they can, and stop believing they are helping things by talking to themselves. If that means a little rudeness towards superstition after events like this, so be it. |
You are free to choose and believe what you may, and let believers choose and believe in what they may. Since we are in a music forum, I'll use the following analogy. It's like telling a trance head that House music is real music and their music sucks, and a trance head would come back and tell you the same thing ( you can add minimal or progressive head or w.e. taste of music you might enjoy), but you know? In a tolerant world people actually learn to respect each others tastes and beliefs and that nuisance and discussion is not necessary. If you call yourself mature and more knowledgeable, then you would know better, but your comment doesn't make you any better then one that would come to this board and preach God almighty. Now I know of all religions been intolerant to each other but I place blame on weak man using a cause to their own good, now back to Japan's earthquake.
Thank You. |
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
You are free to choose and believe what you may, and let believers choose and believe in what they may. Since we are in a music forum, I'll use the following analogy. It's like telling a trance head that House music is real music and their music sucks, and a trance head would come back and tell you the same thing ( you can add minimal or progressive head or w.e. taste of music you might enjoy), but you know? In a tolerant world people actually learn to respect each others tastes and beliefs and that nuisance and discussion is not necessary. If you call yourself mature and more knowledgeable, then you would know better, but your comment doesn't make you any better then one that would come to this board and preach God almighty. Now I know of all religions been intolerant to each other but I place blame on weak man using a cause to their own good, now back to Japan's earthquake.
Thank You. |
Except that analogy doesnt cover people feeling good about themselves because they seriously believe that just by talking to their invisible friend they are doing actual good in the world instead of actually doing good. So as far as analogys go, yours was quite a poor one. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
Anyone that is just praying for things to be better are essentially doing nothing.
Since there is no god(s), they should at least donate some money before making themselves feel better about the stuff that happens in the world. |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Except that analogy doesnt cover people feeling good about themselves because they seriously believe that just by talking to their invisible friend they are doing actual good in the world instead of actually doing good. So as far as analogys go, yours was quite a poor one. |
Ditto. I have no problem respecting people's right to believe what they want, but the problem is that beliefs inform actions. If someone actually thinks praying is helping a situation when there is no evidence that it works, bad can happen. <-- I'm not saying all Christians are as stupid as the parents in that story..but once you start accepting ideas for bad (or nonexistent) reasons, you are much more likely to let in other false beliefs later..and holding beliefs that aren't consistent with reality is never a good thing. |
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| EddieZilker |
I just prayed that my faith would be boiled down to intellectually void magical thinking which consisted of a preposterous belief that my imaginary friend only answered my prayers in a way which was consistent with how I think things should be and that, apart from kneeling and muttering my wishes quietly into my hands, placed palms-together with my eyes shut, no further action, on my part, was required.
Thank you, Jesus! ;) |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
I affirm what Craig said. I expected more from you. |
Like I said before, I didn't mean to offend anyone. However, this is painful to watch already and, if there's any snideness in my comment, it's not directed at the believers of a higher power, but at Whoever is in charge. I get it, just a few thousand people were affected by this, but isn't it enough already!?
And I don't want this to be a religious debate, there are more serious problems to think about, such as the existence of this group whose pics Moongoose demands to see:
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| srussell0018 |
| So how much radiation does a pool full of spent fuel rods with no water give off compared to if the main reactor containment was breached? |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Chernobyl stuff. |
Thanks for the info, I have some reading to do it seems :) |
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| colin traveller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
No, I wouldn't. I am not the type to myself in a disaster. I understand the consequences, the probabilities, and the risks, and I react to that. That is how you survive in situations like these, not by running around like a ing retard gobbling down iodine pills 6000 miles away from a nuclear plant that is barely releasing dangerous levels of radiation into the atmosphere. |
you don't half talk some utter crap ....Armchair professor .. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Except that analogy doesnt cover people feeling good about themselves because they seriously believe that just by talking to their invisible friend they are doing actual good in the world instead of actually doing good. So as far as analogys go, yours was quite a poor one. |
Well, Faith requires action, therefore action of praying will require doing good ( donating money, sending aid and assistance which most religious groups are already doing If I'm not mistaken?) therefore, I believe, a true believer would pray and act by doing above actions.. so yeah. OK back to Japan's Earthquake, I will end it here. Sorry if this distracts from anything else. |
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| srussell0018 |
Proof that dolphins crave human flesh. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by colin traveller
you don't half talk some utter crap ....Armchair professor .. |
Thank you for the valued contribution you've made to this thread. We, here at TA, really appreciate your unique perspective and open candor. While it appears you've taken to disagreeing with one of our senior/junior members, relative to the time you began posting, your thoughts are so cogent and inherently meaningful that even if the person to whom you are replying takes issue with you in one of his/her subsequent replies, I would like to urge you, here and now and in perpetuity, to stop posting, entirely.
Thank you, very much. Realize that I'm not taking issue with the contents of your post(s), nor am I endorsing it. I am merely asserting that, because you've done such a great job with this last post, further participation from you is completely unnecessary. Ever. Period.
As in, you're done and please don't post anymore.
EDIT: And dolphins are s! |
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