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A Plea for Religion (pg. 2)
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Be concise. I don't mind if you write like you're typing an SMS if it helps :) |
I'd rather get stoned and play WWE Smackdown vs RAW 2011 tbh, but I'll see what I can do. I re-wrote my last post about 15 times before posting it. If you hadn't replied so fast I'd probably still be editing it.
This post was edited twice on my iPhone. |
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| srussell0018 |
| A+ Lira. Spot on as always. |
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| Redd |
Talk about oversimplifying. Those 3 misconceptions doesn't cover even the tiniest part of anti-theism arguments. I'd go as far as say it's an insult to any atheist, even if you claim to be one yourself.
For good measure I'll go on in the same way;
You either believe in Santa, or you don't. If you do, why? Because it's extremely exciting to believe this fantastic figure flies around delivering gifts to all the children. If you don't, why? Because it's ridiculous./sarcasm
I was raised by parents who always told me I could believe whatever I wanted. They never told me god didn't exist, nor did they tell me he did. They told me they didn't know. I was never in Christianity-class in school, I chose a class where we learned about all the worlds religions, and humanism. This was from ages 7 through 16.
After a about a year or two learning about the different religions and asking questions about it, there were never a doubt in my mind that, what christianity and islam defines as god, doesn't exist. Sure, if you want to have your own personal definition of what god is - he can exist, for you. But an omnipotent being and all that goes with it? No. Not a chance. I'm telling you this because I think the way people are raised plays a huge role in how they perceive religions on the whole.
All the dickery with science vs. religion is to me stupid. Religion has always tried to explain things we didn't understand. The less people know, the more they need something to explain it. This is why I think this anti-theism "movement" has started. In this day and age most religions are redundant. Yes I can understand the need some people have for believing in something, but to me it will always be a sign of weakness and ignorance.
edit; I know this is just a regurgitation of what many people have said many times before me, and I'm sorry for the cliches. It just really is this simple from my point of view. Which I admit, might be ignorant and uneducated. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
Not a chance. |
Orly???
Not all theists need to believe in something greater than themselves, they just want to, or like to. It's interesting. I think just the idea of some supreme being which we are incapable of comprehending is quite fascinating actually. It's as Lira said, there is no set of rules on how holy scriptures should be interpreted. Consider looking at them as a sort of a guide for how to live a good life. I was raised going to Catholic school, but what my parents taught me was not a literal interpretation of the Bible's "rules." Don't steal, don't kill, etc. etc. These are things that all people should abide by, regardless of whether they are religious or not.
Calling that ignorant and weak, is itself, ignorant. |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Orly??? |
expected a correction on my grammar |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
expected a correction on my grammar |
No your grammar is very good for someone who (I'm assuming) has English as a second language.
See my edit though. |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Not all theists need to believe in something greater than themselves, they just want to, or like to. It's interesting. I think just the idea of some supreme being which we are incapable of comprehending is quite fascinating actually. It's as Lira said, there is no set of rules on how holy scriptures should be interpreted. Consider looking at them as a sort of a guide for how to live a good life. I was raised going to Catholic school, but what my parents taught me was not a literal interpretation of the Bible's "rules." Don't steal, don't kill, etc. etc. These are things that all people should abide by, regardless of whether they are religious or not.
Calling that ignorant and weak, is itself, ignorant. |
I didn't mean to slate all theists with what I wrote. That's why I added the "personal definition of what god is". If people choose to see the bible as a guide on how to live a good life, they should really read it. Especially the old testament. Don't steal, don't kill is in our law. Do you think we wouldn't have those laws if not for the bible?
I'm not calling people weak and ignorant for following rules that we would have regardless of religion or not. If I came out that way I apologize. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
Don't steal, don't kill is in our law. Do you think we wouldn't have those laws if not for the bible?
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That's a tricky question. On one hand, things like these could have evolved as general practices of primitive peoples which benefited their tribe/group/society. On the other hand, it is true that morality, and with it a good portion of modern law, arose out of religion. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
Why would any rational individual teach tolerance of religion? Religion is inherently irrational and history has shown that it tries to extend itself into every facet of life, for those who are subscribers or not. Religion should NOT be tolerated because it in itself is not tolerant of anything else.
When religion ceases to be a major defining factor in politics, human health, and pretty much every other facet of life then we can maybe begin to tolerate it, but till then we need to keep a steady stance and not give any leeway to forces that are trying to impede the human race from reaching its full potential. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Why would any rational individual teach tolerance of religion? Religion is inherently irrational and history has shown that it tries to extend itself into every facet of life, for those who are subscribers or not. Religion should NOT be tolerated because it in itself is not tolerant of anything else. |
Looks like it's time for another Dear Nou. |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
On the other hand, it is true that morality, and with it a good portion of modern law, arose out of religion. |
the other way around, minus modern |
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