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A Plea for Religion (pg. 3)
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| srussell0018 |
| God you suck nou. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
That's a tricky question. On one hand, things like these could have evolved as general practices of primitive peoples which benefited their tribe/group/society. On the other hand, it is true that morality, and with it a good portion of modern law, arose out of religion. |
And religion rose out of what? Religion had to come from someplace. There was evolutionary factors involved in inventing societal norms that prevented us from killing each other in mass more often (which unlike most species we seem to do at a whim). |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
the other way around, minus modern |
You think that religion arose from law? I can see your point. Kind of a chicken and egg debate though. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Looks like it's time for another Dear Nou. |
Instead of personally attacking me you could maybe present some sort of rational argument on why I might be wrong... ;) |
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| Redd |
simply put;
the chief tribesman needs to control his tribe, keep it from doing bad things etc. the tribe needs their crop and hunting to be good. chief tribesman says; "[insert god here] will ruin your crops and make your hunt yield no prey IF you do [bad things]". |
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| Vector A |
I like the idea that religion arose from magic. Magic was basically a primitive form of science, explaining events in terms of forces, and trying to control future events by doing certain rituals. Eventually the "magical forces" in those explanations turned into spirits, and then into gods.
See this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_detection |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
simply put;
the chief tribesman needs to control his tribe, keep it from doing bad things etc. the tribe needs their crop and hunting to be good. chief tribesman says; "[insert god here] will ruin your crops and make your hunt yield no prey IF you do [bad things]". |
Yeah, that seems reasonable. But modern law seems to derive itself from religion in many cases. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Chronicling history is irrational because science has indicated through the laws of thermodynamics that the entropic heat-death of the universe is inevitable. Therefore we shouldn't bother to record history.
Oh, did some of you value history? Well too bad; It's irrational. It doesn't even exist - I mean prove anything but the present exists. You have rocks and paintings, but you cannot prove that any other time existed but this very instant. Haecceity is apodeictic.
That's why I'm an achronist. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Instead of personally attacking me you could maybe present some sort of rational argument on why I might be wrong... ;) |
Present some rational argument that you're right, Nou, and then I'll think about presenting a rational argument that you're wrong. I've already fully explained my position on these arguments, several times, and it always has to do with the fact that, as Lira's OP hinted at, there are no rational arguments in these threads. The quote I used is as pejorative, simplistic, and radical as some others I've seen; on both sides of this. What you seem to fail at recognizing is that the only fundamental difference between you and an insufferable religious zealot is the fact that you don't believe in God. |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Yeah, that seems reasonable. But modern law seems to derive itself from religion in many cases. |
I think that's because civilized society more or less always have been religious. This doesn't mean the same laws wouldn't have existed without it. I absolutely see the benefits of having gods back in the time of tribes etc. Religion was made to make us civilized. It was made because of the imperfection of humanity. Because humans weren't capable of always doing the right thing without the fear of god punishing them if they didn't. I don't think we need these gods any more. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
I think that's because civilized society more or less always have been religious. This doesn't mean the same laws wouldn't have existed without it. I absolutely see the benefits of having gods back in the time of tribes etc. Religion was made to make us civilized. It was made because of the imperfection of humanity. Because humans weren't capable of always doing the right thing without the fear of god punishing them if they didn't. We don't need this god any more. |
Well put. Just because it's not needed doesn't mean it should be crusaded against though. Technically speaking we don't need science to advance any further than it has already either. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Technically speaking we don't need science to advance any further than it has already either. |
Yes we do! :wtf: |
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