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Israel/Hamas Conflict (pg. 14)
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| MSZ |
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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Are you saying their isolation is caused by the fact that they try and impose their beliefs on other cultures or the fact that they (to include all Muslims) feel entitled to special treatment? |
No, I'm saying that their isolation is caused by the fact that they isolate themselves from the culture in which they find themselves.
You didn't say they were isolated, you said they were ostracized. That's a specific act by others. In this case it's isolation, and it's the "victims" who are isolating themselves.
| quote: | | that seems like a rationalization for the way they are treated. |
They're treated as people who refuse to live in the societies in which they choose to live. For example, Muslims who choose to live in England insisting on being allowed to participate in honor killings, which is against English law.
| quote: | | It seems like a reasonable approach, if you are trying to convince an outsider as to the merits of your own culture, that you wouldn't discriminate against them. |
If an outsider CHOOSES to become a part of MY culture, I'm not trying to convince him of anything. It's not as if the British are going to Iran and trying to convince Iranians that British culture is better, and that they should move to Britain.
| quote: | | If, on the other hand, you wanted to discriminate against them, it seems rather handy to have the excuse that Mahmoud wasn't hired because he was heavy-handed in trying to convert the interviewing manager to Islam while demanding a 2,000 Euro signing bonus for being Muslim. |
And if Mahmoud was indicted for murder for killing his daughter because she looked at the neighbor's son - and claims that the indictment is merely discrimination because he's Muslim?
If you choose to live in a particular society, you have to live in that society. It's not going to change to be the society you left. But that's where the problem arises - in Muslims demanding that the Christian societies they choose to live in become Muslim. The Muslims CHOOSE to isolate themselves from the societies they emigrate to, because they want to reap the benefits of their new society while still living in the one they left. |
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| SherlockCrash |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kylle
If an outsider CHOOSES to become a part of MY culture, I'm not trying to convince him of anything. It's not as if the British are going to Iran and trying to convince Iranians that British culture is better, and that they should move to Britain.
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HAHA what a joke :)
English colonial empire |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Maybe if I stole their land. |
So your're saying its OK for me to fire rockets at Iraq.
Its OK for my friends to fire rockets into Germany.
After all, they did take OUR land, they did kill OUR people.
Face it, Israel was created by 2 factors: 1.Persecution and killing of Jews in Europe. 2.Persecution and killing of Jews in Arab countries.
Yet today all i see online is Europeans and Arabs bitching about the existence of Israel, get over it! it exists for more then 64 years,millions were born here, this is their homeland now, you cant switch back the tides now.
Enough with all this childish "who started it", how about who is continuing this and who is obsessed with revenge and sick fantasies.
Enemy sends their 1000 rockets, you send your 1000 rockets and then the outsiders judge you because you have better rockets and defense systems? would you "pro-underdogs" be happy if you saw more Israeli bodies? you want to see a real ballgame? don't answer that because the simple answer is yes.
If we look at this from a military standpoint the IDF is SOFT when you compare it to other militaries.
Spreading flyers and phones calls before an incoming bomb? allowing supplies to your enemy in a time of war?
US,Russian and Britain generals must be looking at this and laughing their asses off.
108 killed in Gaza since the attacks began (obviously some of them are not innocent), that's 108 killed after more than 1100 airstrikes.
You'd think that if Israel really wanted to commit genocide it could have killed more then 108 people, especially in one of the most dense regions IN THE WORLD.
In past year Assad killed more then 37,000 of HIS OWN people, god knows how many people Iran has murdered because they "threatened the regime" ,yet i don't see any thread on HOW EVILL!! those regimes are.
And linking us to a video of a few dozen extreme Israelis shouting "DEAth TO A-rabs!" does not serve any purpose, i can show you a balloon-fetish convention in Tel-Aviv and say: "look at them! all Israelis are perverted!".
Fanatic Jews are a lot more contained and marginalized in the Israeli society and if there was a true opportunity for peace these people would have been arrested and silenced completely.
Guys, sit down and think about it: only a rebellion of the Palestinian people against Hamas and peace gestures by thousands in the streets are the solution for this problem, only this will put pressure on the Israeli people.
I honestly believe that and i think its time for a fresh solution, it pains me to see the same wheel spinning for so long.
Only PLUR can save us! :) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
You'd think that if Israel really wanted to commit genocide it could have killed more then 108 people, especially in one of the most dense regions IN THE WORLD.
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Genocide is not only defined by the killing of people. Forced displacement also comes under that umbrella. Israel has been committing genocide for 60 years.
Peace will only come when both sides are willing to negotiate. Putting the emphasis solely on the Palestinians is not a compelling argument. |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Genocide is not only defined by the killing of people. Forced displacement also comes under that umbrella. Israel has been committing genocide for 60 years.
Peace will only come when both sides are willing to negotiate. Putting the emphasis solely on the Palestinians is not a compelling argument. |
Forced displacement? most of them ran because of fear, not force.
I'm sorry but this does not count as Genocide, genocide is attacking Gaza with nuclear missiles not expansive precision missiles while alerting civilians beforehand.
Israel DOES need to compensate the Palestinians for any past wrongdoings,but that's it, people need to move on with their lives.
Lets do a little exercise, answer both of the following questions:
1.What will happen if Israelis put their weapons down and say they want peace?
2.What will happen if Arab nations (including the Palestinians) put their weapons down and say they want peace? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
Forced displacement? most of them ran because of fear, not force. |
LOL! |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
LOL! |
I'm aware of the different narratives available on this whole chapter. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
I know you are, and that made the statement even funnier. It's victim-blaming in the first degree.
This is coming from someone who would love to see Palestine completely assimilated by Israel though, and for all contention to become a civic debate rather than two nations being puppeted by external world powers into decimating what are, essentially, their own people.
If only 'Israelstine' didn't sound like a Jewish dentist hiding out in Afghanistan due to international malpractice suits. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kylle
You didn't say they were isolated, you said they were ostracized. |
This, right here, is why I think you're a ing idiot. However, I don't think you're a ing idiot because of skewed genetics imparting a malformed biology to that scrotum you have masquerading as a brain. Rather, I think you're a ing idiot because your mental illness mitigates the function of your mind and inspires insipid idears like ing dithering ing semantics, you ing idiot!
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| Zharen |
| ing alts coming out of the woodwork in this thread. |
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