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Israel/Hamas Conflict (pg. 8)
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by AnotherWay83
while it's regrettable that so many rockets are being fired into Israel by hamas, after considering the BS that they (the people of Gaza) have had to put up with, it's actually not surprising.
lack of access to proper food/water/employment/education/healthcare (oh and by 'lack' I mean 'total absence') can only be taken so far. there's practically a genocide goin on.
last I checked, the people of Israel had no such worries, what with massive financial assistance to the tune of billions of dollars each year being provided by the US.
you can only push someone so far before they decide to take you down with them. |
This sums up what is happening there very nicely. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
Hey Eddie,
I respect your position, but religious extremism can fill a void in you no matter who you are, if you are brainwashed since age 3 its not "religious extremism" at all it's just the way you're supposed to live your life.
And besides, is Gaza really the worst place in the world? i bet you can count at least 20 countries in the world with lower quality of life.
The Palestinian people are living a vicious circle of Hatred->following dumb ideologies--> executing them and then being punished for it. |
I appreciate the honesty you've put into this, as well. I don't think living in the Palestine state or even living within European societies Muslims tend to be ostracized in does much to negate the tendency to fill the so-called void. As I said, earlier, there are always going to be extremists who are compensating for their own failures by blaming an ethnic group outside of their own (see my earlier White Power example) but I'm not just drawing assumptions from my own observations concerning Palestine and other radicalized Muslims, either.
Authors such as Bill Powell, Arundhati Roy, and Naomi Klein have all chronicled somewhat endemic economic and social inequalities that exist, at great length. I even borrowed the comparison to Apartheid from Klein, earlier, and she extensively detailed the more recently occurring relationship between Israeli security firms and the ongoing conflict that has been raging for decades. The problem I have with your position is that it presents a very simplistic understanding of the issue. It seems to be saying that without radicalism, there would be no terrorism, as it attributes the consequence to its cause.
It's a sort of circular logic that defies a larger body of information (to include the aforementioned authors, debates, news reports, documentaries, and even fictional movies) which documents the totality of what has been occurring. Unfortunately, the reasoning you're presenting seems to be the common logic applied to remedying the situation. Part of it is true - that if radicalism can be dispelled, the tendency to become radicalized is negated. Part of what it fails to take into account is that, if you do away with mythological elements in their entirety, you're still left with the causes, tactics, strategies, and evolution of guerrilla warfare. |
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| Ted Promo |
| THE JEWS CAN SOLVE THIS THROUGH THE MAGIC OF BOGGLE |
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Religious sociopaths/psychopaths, for the most part. Remember that killing spree in a Sikh temple? Christian white supremacist.
Timothy McVeigh (just to mention the biggest terrorist attack perpetrated by an American)? Christian (albeit a really unorthodox one).
Good luck finding someone who isn't a Christian carrying out these attacks. |
Did they do this in the name of God? Or are they just mass murderers who happen to be Christians?
Correlation does not imply causation. You should know this, Lira. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus Summers
Did they do this in the name of God? Or are they just mass murderers who happen to be Christians?
Correlation does not imply causation. You should know this, Lira. |
I do, and that's precisely what I meant to say. I apologise if it sounds like I believe there's more than a (weak) correlation between their religious affiliation and the atrocities they committed, because all I wanted to show Viper is that atheist nutjobs haven't really been good at killing people. |
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I do, and that's precisely what I meant to say. I apologise if it sounds like I believe there's more than a (weak) correlation between their religious affiliation and the atrocities they committed, because all I wanted to show Viper is that atheist nutjobs haven't really been good at killing people. |
Oh, I see. My apologies. |
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| Alero50 |
So the fact that they are supported makes bombing them blindly, and taking lives of women and children, absolutely alright, doesn't it?
What kind of an argument is it?
The Hamas are also supported by Iran, Syria and Egypt, (at least), so it would legitimize the jeopardy of the Palestinian people's lives? |
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alero50
So the fact that they are supported makes bombing them blindly, and taking lives of women and children, absolutely alright, doesn't it?
What kind of an argument is it?
The Hamas are also supported by Iran, Syria and Egypt, (at least), so it would legitimize the jeopardy of the Palestinian people's lives? |
What I am saying is that there wouldn't be any Syrian "Rebels" without western support. |
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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I don't think living in the Palestine state or even living within European societies Muslims tend to be ostracized in |
They're not "being ostracized", they're insisting on living in a Muslim Europe. They want to live in Europe geographically, but the Middle East socially.
Sorry, but if you come into my house and insist on my allowing you to kill people there, it's not going to work. It's not that I'm ostracizing you, it's that you're nuts. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kylle
They're not "being ostracized", they're insisting on living in a Muslim Europe. They want to live in Europe geographically, but the Middle East socially.
Sorry, but if you come into my house and insist on my allowing you to kill people there, it's not going to work. It's not that I'm ostracizing you, it's that you're nuts. |
I deleted my previous post because it gave you more credit than you deserve. Given the results of our last discussion, I'm a little surprised at your persistence in this line of thinking but I guess that surprise is a reflection of the fact that I've given you far more credit than you actually deserve.
Kindly, off. |
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