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Israel/Hamas Conflict (pg. 15)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
Forced displacement? most of them ran because of fear, not force. |
You dont actually beleive that do you?
| quote: | | people need to move on with their lives. |
If they had the same standards like other human beings around the world perhaps it would have made it easier for them to move on with their lives. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
They can have the same standards of life as Israel, they need only immigrate. I realize it's nowhere near as simple as this, as for many it might involve leaving their homes, their livelihoods, and possibly their families behind, but if they could organize a draft of conditions, and put down the rockets that merely target basically innocent Israeli citizens, they could proceed toward a future bereft of institutional infanticide.
Palestine cultivates this air of rebellion against a seemingly tyrannical establishment, which resonates with broad-swaths of current liberalism and it's baser, more pedestrian manifestations. But it's just not quite so, as nothing is, in this war. They are being duped and pumped by the mullahs and the sheikhs of neighbouring states into fighting this supposedly illegitimate state that just so happens to represent constitutional freedoms. No , atrocities have been committed by both sides, and they've both bombarded the other into an unjust position. It's why no one is right. The people of Palestine need to see the truth that Israel wants their liberation, their citizenship and their compliance in nationhood, just as Israel as a whole needs to see that it is not a state for Jews, but a state that represents the Jewish ideals that have sustained them for millennia, not this vulgar display of surgical vehemence in their every retribution. |
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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
This, right here, is why I think you're a ing idiot. However, I don't think you're a ing idiot because of skewed genetics imparting a malformed biology to that scrotum you have masquerading as a brain. Rather, I think you're a ing idiot because your mental illness mitigates the function of your mind and inspires insipid idears like ing dithering ing semantics, you ing idiot!
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
The legitimacy of the state of israel is defined by the fact that Moses parted the red sea about 3 thousand years ago in order to defeat the egyptians who had been enslaving their people since almost the dawn of time a couple of thousand years before.
But seriously, why not return the 1947 borders agreed upon by UN resolution 181?
I think that should be satisfactory in the eyes of both parties. Then again, i'm not very well versed in this subject. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| lol i love eddie mad. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
Just wanted to retract my previous assertion was re forced displacement; the “official” definition of genocide that’s closest to what I said is:
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In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
“(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part” |
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| Lira |
| Stupid Treaty of Versailles! Had they not gone overboard punishing Germany, this would never have happened :mad: |
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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
1.What will happen if Israelis put their weapons down and say they want peace?
2.What will happen if Arab nations (including the Palestinians) put their weapons down and say they want peace? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
lol i love eddie mad. |
Me too, he's awesome.
And I don't think there are many who can be considered "well-versed" in the exceptional complexities of the matter, much less people who post on TA regularly. :p.
Rolling back territories to the original draft of Israel looks perfect on paper. How many Israeli citizens would that displace at this point, though?
It's a tired and trite analogy, but what might happen if the US surrendered land to Mexico that it seized? Where would that leave some of its most populous states? What if Canada gave back land to the the native people merely because it's fair? This is a sadly naive proposition, because not only is it wholly unrealistic, it undermines the progress of constitutional nations. It has happened with positive effect exactly ZERO times- to my knowledge! -barring likewise naive provisions and underhanded exchanges with the wholesale effect of decimating a people who have grown accustomed to liberalism and the commerce of democracy. How are the Aboriginals faring in Aus, folks? Are they a progressive people with an overwhelming list of cultural accomplishments? Oh, they're a bed of poverty and tribal law perverting human rights amid a sea of commercial expansion? If they are, they're quite like the much slighted Native Americans of the US. That's what happens when you give back to the purportedly "rightful heirs" of a land, and though it is no fault of the individuals therein, it is the collective effect of hearts bleeding to support what might seem fair on any elementary playground.
If anyone would like to argue that a sovereign Palestine would be a hotbed of democracy and secular, constitutional rights to succeed those of the Israeli state, I'd love to hear it. It's not that the Evil Empire is waging war against the Savage; It's that, given all other neighbouring options, Israel provides what the downtrodden Palestinians deserve; a nation to practice and express their ways and culture without extremism and the cycle of violence and indignation that rightfully lulls them to retributive resort.
Also, the US needs to pull its out of there in a big way. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
How so? |
You see what you want to see and what you want to see is a spectacle that reassures you of your illusory superiority. It is a delusion, formed by your selfish, perverse, and loathsome desires. It isn't good enough for you to exist in this world when your very existence is blemished by the fact of your unending mediocrity. In turn, you seek-out a cultural counter-point you can identify as a low-water mark. You seek refuge from the truth of your dismal inadequacies by projecting all of your negative attributes (and there are many) onto another culture.
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
[THIS] documentary and several others i found myself thinking differently today, i mean ignore all the outsiders and hysterical editing and hear these people ... |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
I have sought out numerous sources of information that confirm my beliefs about myself as a human being, who although very flawed, takes solace in the fact that I am not as flawed as the people portrayed in the propaganda I consume. Whether or not I have been educated on how to recognize propaganda, I still seek it out, completely oblivious to its manipulation of my cognition and perception; in part because I am a willing participant in accordance with its aims. It is not fair to say that I was convinced by the propaganda I seek out. Instead, I view the propaganda as confirmation of my point of view. Rather than accepting the fact that the agitation propaganda I watch is hysterical and flawed, in its presentation, as evidence that it is disreputable, I have internalized its messages and, in turn, incorporate their flawed lines of reasoning in the content I post to internet forums. Although I clearly recognize its manic and disorganized presentation as that which deligitimizes it as intellectually or academically relevant, I minimize the significance of this in light of the fact that it pretty much tells me everything I want to hear. |
So, yeah. You're pretty much one bat carazy piece of .
Oh, and you can right off, too, you immature ****. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kylle
2.What will happen if Arab nations (including the Palestinians) put their weapons down and say they want peace? |
gee i dunno kylle, maybe the israelis will build some more houses on palestinian land? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| No, they'd obviously execute all the Palestinian Arabs while the rest of the world watches and applauds. Because 1/4 of Israel isn't already Muslim. |
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