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Israel/Hamas Conflict (pg. 36)
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
I'm not using Propaganda as a source for my beliefs, i only listen to the Muslims themselves speak in that documentary and i believe them (wouldn't be worse if i called them liars?).
if you bothered watching more then a minute you would have seen more then one type of character in this thing:
you had Muslim-1 saying he admires Bin-Laden, saying that radicalism is the solution for young kids, saying that he wants Sharia law in Europe.
Muslim-2 saying this condition is a result of neglect from hosting countries, yet he tries to fight negative influences by getting kids on the football pitch instead of hanging on the streets all day.
And Muslim-3 (female) saying she was beaten down her entire life and that she was treated like dirt just because she is a women.
I admire the second guy by the way.
When i say "many Muslims" i don't mean to imply "most", there are 17 million Islam believers in Europe (excluding Turkey), i think maybe 0.1% of them are radicals - that's still 17,000 people and that's "many" for me yet its light years away from calling them "the majority".
As i said earlier, i got the impression that the older generation came to Europe with hopes and dreams of a better future,i think the younger generation cant seem to find themselves in light of growing unemployment rates and integration failures in hosting countries.
You say they are drawn to these extremes because of discrimination and bad integration efforts from host countries, i don't think its logical to behave in that manner even if you are being discriminated against and i don't choose to put blame on those countries, fair enough, we are allowed to hold different opinions on the matter.
About the conflict in Israel, read between the lines, i'm against settlements (as most Israelis are, we don't like spending money on delusional people and most Israelis are secular and non Jews).
Israel is doing a lot of things which are not fair to the Palestinians, but still do i think Israel is the main block here? not really.
See i have this slight advantage in this debate, i grew up in Israel, i know what Israelis really want, i know how marginalized those extreme politicians were if there was not a Nazi ideology on the other side, i know that Israelis lost faith in peace because they are afraid of the ideology which exists on the other side.
All my childhood i had peace songs coming out of my ass, all they taught us was tolerance,respect and accepting the other, once a week we had play meetings with Arab kids, the biggest national Euphoria i can remember was during the Oslo peace signings, throughout my life i saw Israelis protesting for peace on the streets and dreaming of the day in which they will not have to send their loved ones onto the battlefields (kind of a selfish motive to yearn for peace huh?) LITERALLY EVERY ISRAELI WHO IS SENDING HIS KID TO THE IDF TELLS THEM: "YOUR KID WILL NOT HAVE TO DO THIS".
On the other hand, thanks to Palestinian "governments" there are Palestinian children growing on the same sick fantasy for generations: "This is our land, every piece of it, we will kill all the Jews and then take it all" (see: The Hamas charter )
Notice how much credit i give the Palestinian people: i think most of them want to live in peace and prosperity, i think the only solution is for them to rebel against radicalism (Hamas) and for them to rebel against the role in which their loving "brothers" in-trusted them with (being the ones who will destroy the Jewish nation).
Israelis will expect a lot more from their leaders If hundreds of thousands of Palestinians will be marching in the streets for peace.
No doubt, Both sides are a part of the solution but i believe in a certain order of steps in order for it to work, first step is to exterminate extreme ideologies once and for all. |
I respect this and I don't have a bone to pick with it.
I'll type up a reply indicating why I think the video is propaganda. I tried to watch more than a minute of it but, honestly, my bull detector went off quicker than I could say Andrew Breitbart (A now deceased Republican blogger notorious for staged propaganda coups in which unwitting dupes were set up to look like s). I wanted to let you know that I read it and what my thoughts were on it, though. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kylle
Most people don't belong where they are today. It's how the world works. |
Yes, because building a settlement near a bunch of really really angry arabs is a smart move. I don't belong in china, i'll give you that, but my dick has veto rights and it wanted to be big somewhere. |
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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
Yes, because building a settlement near a bunch of really really angry arabs is a smart move. I don't belong in china, i'll give you that, but my dick has veto rights and it wanted to be big somewhere. |
I just don't see shooting back as aggression, you do. It's the old "he started it by hitting me back" childish nonsense. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kylle
I just don't see shooting back as aggression, you do. It's the old "he started it by hitting me back" childish nonsense. |
Are you equating Israel building settlements on Arab land with "shooting back?" |
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| zGoogleman |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Oooooooold.
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, that made me laugh.
On a totally unrelated news, your still a ing piece of you stupid mother******. Suck my big black dick, you ing estupido. |
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| Joz |
This is not a form of "defense"
Such munitions are designed to wreak as much havoc and destruction as possible, without any regard to civilian life even after a conflict is over. Back when Israel was hit with multiple suicide bomb incidents (which also wreak havoc without regard to civilian life), such actions were rightfully condemned. Israel is accountable to the same standard. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joz
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awww, poor turtles :( |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
whats the jewish commodity exchange rate for life?
last i heard it was trading at 1 jew to 1000 arabs (0.001 jews)
has the jew depreciated since then? |
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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Are you equating Israel building settlements on Arab land with "shooting back?" |
I equate holding land near the borders as preventing the hitting in the first place. It's a proven fact (proved by years of seeing it happen) that whenever the borders change, the Palestinians use land on their side of the new border to launch missile attacks. So if Israel keeps the Palestinians far enough back from the land Israelis live on, all the Palestinians can attack is vacant land.
It's called self-defense, and all nations are allowed to protect themselves. |
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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joz
Back when Israel was hit with multiple suicide bomb incidents (which also wreak havoc without regard to civilian life), such actions were rightfully condemned. |
But rockets launched against Israeli civilians (the attacks that started the latest situation) aren't to be condemned? Or responded to militarily? |
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| srussell0018 |
| God you are a ing imbecile. |
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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
You have consistently the most pitiful attempts at insulting people |
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