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Matrix Revolutions (pg. 6)
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by KaNoS
there are plenty of more stuff. Also, by not finishing the war completly, the matrix avoids being any other cliche action movie in which the good side is victorius over the far stronger evil empire. |
yup...exactly. There was no way in hell that Zion could win. This was apparent from the very beginning in Reloaded once they talked about the size of the army. I think that, whichever way it ended, people would still bitch and moan :rolleyes: The ending sums everything up nicely, but leaves it open FOR THE VIEWER to figure out what happens after. I don't really see how it could leave an opening for more sequels, and I don't see a need for them to make more sequels. |
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| nrjizer |
My thoughts in a nutshell (spoilers):
Zion fight was ing amazing. Neo/Smith fight was way way too GC'ed/dramatic. The whole superman in the sky thing, ehhhh....
Reloaded had you expecting some ultra confusing complicated solution to it all, but its actually quite simple. I figured it out. Smith was created by the Oracle. She wanted a peace between the humans and machines. So she created Smith, the opposite of Neo. Neo's job is to help tear down the matrix and rebuild it, better than before, then return to the source from which he came. Smith, on the other hand, exists to destroy it, the machines, humans, everything. No one can stop him but Neo; he was specifically made so this is true. This gives Neo something to bargan with to the machines: he'll stop Smith, and in return there will be peace. Thats what colonel sanders (the architect) meant when he said to the Oracle at the end "that was quite a risk you took."
Oh well, it wasnt so bad. I caught wind of the poor reviews early in the morning, so I went into the theatre with fairly lowered expectations, but in the end it wasnt all that bad.
I think what everyones beef with it was that The Matrix had such HUGE shoes to fill... theres no way any sequel could do that. I mean, if I had never heard of The Matrix before and someone suddenly showed me Revolutions (and you could ignore the fact I would have no ing clue what was going on in the plot), I would have been ing blown away by it.
So all in all, a good movie. Not spectacular (save for the zion fight), but good. |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
WHHHAATTT SYMBOLIISM????? I kept looking for a DEEPER meaning to ANYTHING but I couldn't find jack ! And I did keep guessing all throughout HOPING to find some allusions to anything! But I got the same feeling I got out revolutions as I did out of T3. Mindless entertainment with cool special effects yet very little to really think about/contemplate. |
Yeah... its pop philosophy, for sure. But the nice thing about it is that few movies do a good job of blending philosophy, ridiculously awesome action, and everything else together. I think thats the charm of the whole matrix trilogy. Its Sci-Fi, its philosophical, its geeky, its kung fu, its good vs evil, all together in a nice package that most people of respectable intelligence can swallow.
Btw, what I got out of Revolutions was kind of a Buddhist irony out of it. On face level, you'd think its Neo = Good, Smith = Bad, they fight, and balence each other out. Thats true, but only skin deep. If Neo had fulfilled his purpose, if there was no Smith, Zion would have been destroied, and The Matrix rebuilt, for the cycle to repeat again. When the Oracle created Smith, she balenced things out. She gave Neo another purpose (to stop Smith), and by doing this the machines agreed to a truce. So it was really the bad guy who was inadvertantly responsible for doing good, and preventing the good guy from doing bad. I thought that was very cool. |
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| vhx1 |
| How do you guys support your claim that the Oracle specifically created Smith with that purpose |
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| Streakfury |
If, in the end, a truce was called and humans/machine can live in peace, why the hell did the war start in the first place??
EDIT: And I know the Wahoo Bros are Jewish and all, but I think that they went overboard with the religious aspects. The whole Neo sacrificing himself for the good of mankind thing was a bit too much like Jesus on the cross if you ask me. |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by vhx1
How do you guys support your claim that the Oracle specifically created Smith with that purpose |
Because Smith says "You should know, Mother" at some point in the movie. Here in Denmark the "Mother"-part is not translated, leaving people bad at english with little opportunity to catch it.:rolleyes: |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by KaNoS
The ending was as close as perfect as possible. All the answers that matter are there.
1. The question of determinism vs free will, which is the whole dilemma in the three movies is given an answer (not that there will ever be a correct answer, the directors give their answer) |
Yes definitely a major theme. If you're familiar with philosophy then you'll realise that it would defeat the purpose to explain how neo was able to stop the sentinel - It is "The Event" that transcends signification and ultimately demonstrates the existance of free will. Growth, free will, love etc are something that the machines cannot undertstand... possibly with the exception of the oracle. Perhaps "the event" for the machines is Smith... Not only has neo in a sense become more in tune with the machine world (he breaks the human rules by controlling the sentinels), but Smith has also become more human (he uploads himself to a human, and learns to replicate.... the most basic form of biological growth - and one at which he showed disgust in the first matrix comparing humans to viruses). Smith and Neo have both crossed the line b/w machines and humans... their eventual union or destruction is inevitable to restore equilibrium and finally break the cycle. In a Buddhist sense they have broken the cycle for humanity and the matrix by attaining enlightenment. Neo is different to the neo's that came before that's why he is able to save trinity and return to Zion at the end of Reloaded. He exists to bend the rules and act as an avenue for human curiosity and free will... he represents the hacker mentality... in that sense he is the serpent to the matrix's garden of eden. He allows humanity to "fall" from a world of ignorant bliss in virtual slavery to a world much dirtier and less perfect, but where free will exists.
| quote: | 2. The greatest war book ever written is probably the Iliad, an as such the matrix trilogy does not focuses neither at the end or the beggining, but at the moment of the war greatest hero coming into action, and what it represents.
3. It is not a happy ending. It a truce between both sides. Not a definitive victory of one side over the next. The computers lose easily replaceble machines. Zion loses a large chunk of its population (ships, robo-armor things, infantry, they are all killed) that are not easily replaced and humans remain being the weak side.
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I prefer to think that both sides have gained... they have realised the symbiotic nature of their relationship each allows the other to evolve to new heights... something the oracle knew all along... |
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| twizta |
the fight between neo and smith reminded me of eh......dragon ball z
lol |
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| hadi burpee |
| quote: | Originally posted by twizta
the fight between neo and smith reminded me of eh......dragon ball z
lol |
haha, that is what my friend said when we were watching |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Okay, I've concluded that I won't pay money in the theatres to watch this. So what I would like to request is a complete spoiler to the ending. I've heard a number of people give reference to it without actually revealing the events. I have my guesses, but I refuse to pay money to see this thing.
So in essence, I'm asking on your dollar to spoil the crap out of it for me (heh heh). If you feel you shouldn't put it on this thread, drop me a PM if you can.
Thanks a gob. |
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| JayD |
| quote: | Originally posted by montie
nah he's got a good point.
after seeing the movie i was prety ambivilant towards it.
yes the acting was . i laughed quite a few times. there was way too much fighting. which is cool eye candy to watch, but isn't going to make a movie good. I wish they woulda sat down and talked more about the philsophical stuff behind it instead of just going and blowing up all the time.
or maybe i just didn't see the stuff i was supposed to see.
anyway, overall i was pretty let down by the movie, altho i really wasn't expecting too much as i wasn't too obsessed with the first two. |
I think that the phsycological stuff was coverd more in 1 & 2.
JaY |
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| priveye03 |
What can I say about this movie. Wow, that must have been the worst ending ever to such a respectable trilogy. If there was an award called "Worst ending in a trilogy....ever," then by-god I think we have a winner. Horrible Horrible Horrible Horrible Horrible oh and did I meantion horrible? As Comic book guy on the Simpsons says, "Worst ending ever..." Why was it so horrible (have I said that already?), well I could sum it up in a word. Cheese. Cheese cheese cheese. The ending movie in a trilogy is supposed to pull the whole trilogy and "end it with a bang." The most thought/time/planning/genius should go into it. This goes especially for the Matrix Trilogy seeing as how all the movies lead up to the final one. Every movie was just a build up to the big final shuuraa, the war between the humans and the machines. But all the trilogy really lead up to was mediocre acting, at best, and a set of incredibly cheesy lines. I mean come on. The first 3/4ths of the movie was spent trying to pick my jaw up from off the floor and trying to re-collect my sanity. I have never been so bored in a movie that I had been waiting so long to see. You thought Star Wars Epidode 1 was bad, well my friend, welcome to 2003, because we have a new movie to be the scapegoat of all of your horrible movie referances. I have a suggestion; if you have a punching bag take it out, go see "Matrix Revolutions" at your nearest movie theature (so you will be able to get back quicker) then run home and proceed to knock the living daylights out of said punching bag. Let me enlighten you with one of the better quotes from the movie:
And trinity stared deeply into Neo's eyes and said, "I was so nervous that it took me ten tries to buckle up my boot."
Through most of the movie the acting sounded as if the actors lines had been sent to a chop-shop and put directly on film with no furthur editing. If you hadn't already realized I mean that the lines didn't flow at all. If you think back to last years MTV movie awards and you remember how Neo talked in the opening skit, it was like that, but for much of the movie. I wasn't very impressed with any of the acting except for a few exceptions (not including Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, or the Oricle).
There were however a couple good scenes as the movie was drawing to a conclusion. One such scene was the fight between Neo and Agent Smith even though you could obviously tell that a mirror type effect was used to make more than one of him and the obvious use of CGI. Towards the end of the movie I was a little more on the edge of my seat, but it in no-way made up for this sorry excuss for a Matrix film. The only way you would have any kind of interest or fun may I say at this movie is if you have a strong back ground for philosophy and that is all you are searching for, the philosophical underlying means. I personally picked these up, but it was still hard to reach past the overlying fact of a horribly presented movie. If you are going to go watch this movie, go in with low expectations, because anything else will just leave you as pissed off as I was after the movie. Oh well, there is always Lord of the Rings I guess... |
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