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Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ (pg. 11)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
God is real, I know it. I can't quite explain it to you,because you'll just make fun of me,or anyone else who says they've had the same thing happen to them. But, God is real. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever. |
No, you can't quite explain it because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE F$CK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
GO AWAY!
| quote: | | I know a lot more about life than you think, thank you very much. You have no idea how much crap I've been put through. |
Nor do I CARE! It's of NO RELEVANCE TO THIS DEBATE!
ARGH!!! |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
No, you can't quite explain it because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE F$CK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
GO AWAY! |
No,That would be you. You aren't in my brain,you haven't lived my life. I know what happened,you don't.
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Nor do I CARE! It's of NO RELEVANCE TO THIS DEBATE!
ARGH!!! |
That's right,this is a debate. Better wise up,and stop acting immature. This isn't a place to fling around insults. If you aren't going to stick to the subject,and debate in the correct manner,you have no business here. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
No,That would be you. You aren't in my brain,you haven't lived my life. I know what happened,you don't.
That's right,this is a debate. Better wise up,and stop acting immature. This isn't a place to fling around insults. If you aren't going to stick to the subject,and debate in the correct manner,you have no business here. |
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| razmataz |
| All of you, save your lives and convert to Islam!! :) |
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| Virus |
| Come on Nellie what are you trying to achieve? Personally I think that you are trying convince yourself of your improbable believes. I think you already have alot of doubts and thats why you keep posting on this forum. |
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| tranceaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
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wow dude..why so mean? isnt he entitled to ur opinion too..he can believe whatever he wants..u shouldnt force him to believe in anything or even judge..just cause u dont agree with him doesnt men u have to dismiss him like that. |
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| trancepixie17 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
No, that certainly wasn't my suggestion, but it is important to understand that Heinz or anyone else for that matter shouldn't be surprised when they profess their controversial beliefs and receive numerous responses from a good number of folks here.
So let me state my point clearly: it's quite evident that his thread and beliefs are controversial. Agreed?
It's also quite evident that he expressed his opinion and beliefs in a Debate Forum, yes?
Since it was a controversial topic, and since he expressed his beliefs (that in my opinion have little supported historical evidence) in a Debate Forum, it therefore follows that he is subject to opposing views. Furthermore, since it is a debate forum, it is also good form for him or anyone else to attempt to defend those views (with supported evidence is best).
This is what was expected of him, or anyone else for that matter who decides to post opinions here.
Oops, that's pretty much what I mentioned above. You stated this well. I believe the problem here is not what you stated, but what followed: Heinz did not support his assertions very well with sound evidence. And that's what I and a few others have been "busting his chops" over.
Oh, just a little history behind it. Most here know what I'm referring to, but I try to keep the past behind me...
Excellent! And thank you for this response. This is actually a great response in a debate forum. When you actually don't know something, or have felt that you cannot respond, this is a perfect answer.
I'm not being sarcastic here. It is truly good form to say, "I don't know" when you actually do not know something. Another alternative is not responding at all to rebuttals, and the silence is equivalent to an "I don't know" response. That is also good too. Believe me, I've had my butt handed to me on a number of issues in the past, and I've been cornered to doing both when I know my case is weak. Absolutely nothing wrong in being humbled by knowledge and good arguments.
I would never hold your age against you. I only examine the quality of your arguments, as I would for anyone else I may disagree with. Believe me, there's plenty of bullcrap here to reach the roof, but there's also a wealth of information here too from a wide range of viewpoints. I will also never hold your mistakes against you either, provided that you recognize those mistakes when they are pointed out to you. Like I said, people point out mistakes in my arguments all the time, and I quite enjoy opposing views. It's why I'm here (plus I just love to argue like the rest of the motley bunch here), and I share your feelings of having fun as well. Just understand that it's best to be prepared to support your opinions with sound evidence; it is the underlying principle of a good debate.
With that said, I certainly hope you and Heinz stick around and continue to have fun here.
Regards,
Opus1 |
** Thanks Opus. Actually I totally agree with you and I know (atleast I believe) you were not sarcastic one bit. I will take your advice and follow it. Also, it's nice that you can keep your cool, debate, and be humorous at the same time.
take care
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| ProDiGaL |
| Its the chosen one syndrome, the three major religions suffer from it. They are told that they are the favoured children of God, making them more loved, and the unbeliever's less human, less worthy. Fuelled with this it makes killing others in the name of religion a more comfortable affair. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by tranceaholic
wow dude..why so mean? isnt he entitled to ur opinion too..he can believe whatever he wants..u shouldnt force him to believe in anything or even judge..just cause u dont agree with him doesnt men u have to dismiss him like that. |
*She* contributes absolutely nothing to the debate, that's the problem. She's a little nagging insect that keeps on screaming "No you're wrong I'm right no I can't explain it but I know I am!! Everybody listen to ME!!!"
Yeah she's entitled to believe whatever the hell she wants, but I think there's not a soul left on this forum who doesn't find her religion posts irritating as . |
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| Heinz |
if u dont like nellies posts, dont read them. simple as that...
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
solomons words, old testament. Fear in the lord is not, being afraid of him. its realizing his power, strength, and know that HE created you. and by this "fear", you are blessed.
Revelation 21:6
He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Jesus is the beginning and he is the end. God HAS no beginning and he has no end. for if god had a beginning, then there must have been a higher power to create god. and that would mean god isnt the almighty, but the power that created him would be the almighty. therefore, when Jesus says in Revelation 21:6 I am the Alpha and the Omega (Greek Alphabet. Amega=A, Omega=Z-------BEGINING AND END), he really means i began this earth, and i will end it, which revelation is the description of the end of the earth. god created this earth, and he will end it, therefore he IS the beginning and end. |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
Revelation 21:6
He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Jesus is the beginning and he is the end. God HAS no beginning and he has no end. for if god had a beginning, then there must have been a higher power to create god. and that would mean god isnt the almighty, but the power that created him would be the almighty. therefore, when Jesus says in Revelation 21:6 I am the Alpha and the Omega (Greek Alphabet. Amega=A, Omega=Z-------BEGINING AND END), he really means i began this earth, and i will end it, which revelation is the description of the end of the earth. god created this earth, and he will end it, therefore he IS the beginning and end. |
all that would matter if you could use the bible as a credible, scientific source. Just because the book makes reference to gods infinite existance doesn't necessarily make it so. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
if u dont like nellies posts, dont read them. simple as that...
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
solomons words, old testament. Fear in the lord is not, being afraid of him. its realizing his power, strength, and know that HE created you. and by this "fear", you are blessed.
Revelation 21:6
He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Jesus is the beginning and he is the end. God HAS no beginning and he has no end. for if god had a beginning, then there must have been a higher power to create god. and that would mean god isnt the almighty, but the power that created him would be the almighty. therefore, when Jesus says in Revelation 21:6 I am the Alpha and the Omega (Greek Alphabet. Amega=A, Omega=Z-------BEGINING AND END), he really means i began this earth, and i will end it, which revelation is the description of the end of the earth. god created this earth, and he will end it, therefore he IS the beginning and end. |
That really is quite a silly proof for an argument. Here, I'll do the same thing with my claim that God does not exist:
The Babel fish is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,'says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic
- Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Chapter 6, p. 42
So you see God may have been the beginning but he's no longer around for the end (in the english language "vanished" means NO LONGER THERE). So you see while he was once there, logic did him away and now he is gone. Therefore he doesn't exist. And you know what, I'm right because it says so above and therefore a FACT!
Look ma! I can argue like a creationist too! |
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