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Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ (pg. 44)
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
If you're going to make an attempt at apologetics, then at least have the decency to stop using arguments from ignorance, employing circular reasoning and so on, or if you inadvertently use them, then at least acknowledge it when someone points out your error. |
That's wrong, I'm not using my arguments from ignorance. I've given you my answers,if you don't like them.Then tough.
| quote: | | Instead of going down the 'you're all going to burn in hell you dirty immoral atheists & agnostics!' road, how about making an honest attempt to rationally argue and/or discuss the issue at hand. When people copy paste endless amounts of bible verses, use the same flawed arguments over and over again, even when confronted with evidence that their post contains multiple logical fallacies, and assert that everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint is going to burn in hell, obviously they're going to piss others off. |
Hey, If you would read back a couple of pages or so. You'd pretty much see that I'm not into that.
The Bible contains no fallacies. The Bible is 100% accurate.
But,I don't go around saying that " everyone that doesn't believe in Jesus and God is going to burn in hell. "
That's not a pleasant way of stating your point of view. |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Heh, kinda late to post, but the movie finally arrived here (ok, so we're 2 months behind the rest of the civilized world, could be worse), and I must say that IT'S A TOTAL PIECE OF CRAP!!!! I mean, what the hell was that supposed to be? 3 hours of continuous watching of Jesus getting whipped and beaten??? How retarded can you get? Ok, he got whipped and beaten, I get the point, 5 minutes should be quite sufficient for anyone to get the picture. I almost fell asleep while watching that idiocity. |
Idiocity? Talk about immaturity.
It's not a total piece of crap,that is a VERY VERY important movie for many reasons. He didn't go through just 5 minutes of whipping. I'm glad that wasn't cut out,because I think everyone needed/needs to see what happened to Him. Atleast show some respect. |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
Idiocity? Talk about immaturity.
It's not a total piece of crap,that is a VERY VERY important movie for many reasons. He didn't go through just 5 minutes of whipping. I'm glad that wasn't cut out,because I think everyone needed/needs to see what happened to Him. Atleast show some respect. |
Yeah cause God forbid it be left to the imagination, a better tool than celluloid...
I think it degrades the sanctity of religious documents and Im not even very religious| |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
I'm glad that wasn't cut out,because I think everyone needed/needs to see what happened to Him. Atleast show some respect. |
why do we need to pay money to see him guy being tortured, cuz i didnt wanna see that. i went hoping to be enlightened and enriched as an individual on religion, but instead i wasnt and ended up watching the worst horror flick ever that left me in disgust in the end.
tell me, would you watch another movie of another person being tortuured for 1 hour? i sure would not. i dont care if its jesus or anyone else, movies like this dont belong in a theatre.
and tell me, how does jesus die for "our sins". he doesnt look like he died for you. its not like he had a choice to be executed or not.
and finally, people back in that society were tortured and crucified. |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
why do we need to pay money to see him guy being tortured, cuz i didnt wanna see that. i went hoping to be enlightened and enriched as an individual on religion, but instead i wasnt and ended up watching the worst horror flick ever that left me in disgust in the end.
tell me, would you watch another movie of another person being tortuured for 1 hour? i sure would not. i dont care if its jesus or anyone else, movies like this dont belong in a theatre.
and tell me, how does jesus die for "our sins". he doesnt look like he died for you. its not like he had a choice to be executed or not.
and finally, people back in that society were tortured and crucified. |
It's not a horror movie, That's the thing.This really happened. The reason people need to see it, is so they can realize what Jesus did for them, What God did for them.
Movies like that don't belong in the theater..Then take out things like "Kill bill" and things like " night of 1000 corpses " and movies like that.. If "The passion of the Christ" can't be played in theaters then neither can movies like "Saving private ryan."
Jesus took on all the sin of the world,He died for everyone. He did have a choice, He could have not done it. Simple as that, but He chose to anyway. |
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| tathi |
Not just a horror, bit of comedy in it aswell, black humour, not as funny as Kill Bill though, Kill Bill was more realistic
As artic has pointed out, there is enough evidence, (or lack thereof) that jesus never existed. I believe jesus existed, the lack of evidence that he did not exist just proves that he was some small time manipulative, sociopathic, cult leader, that suffered from schizophrenic delusions of grandeur. There must have been a turnout of 30 people at his crucifiction.
It was not until the Council of Nicea where an amalgamation of the major religions and bowdlerisation of anything that would be considered detrimental to their new biblical propaganda tool (Gnosticism etc) that christianity beguiled the masses |
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| Arbiter |
Next up: "The Passion of Auschwitz"
You can watch Jews get gassed, shot, and given lethal injections for a couple of hours. Maybe it could spend some time down in Block 10 and we could watch some good old fashioned medical experimentation, too. It's all really happened, and it will be good for people to see how to efficiently get rid of Jews, just in case the need should ever arise. This film has been rated "ing Sick" by the MPAA, and anyone who wants to watch it has been rated "A ing Douchebag" by the Arbiter. |
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Next up: "The Passion of Auschwitz"
You can watch Jews get gassed, shot, and given lethal injections for a couple of hours. Maybe it could spend some time down in Block 10 and we could watch some good old fashioned medical experimentation, too. It's all really happened, and it will be good for people to see how to efficiently get rid of Jews, just in case the need should ever arise. This film has been rated "ing Sick" by the MPAA, and anyone who wants to watch it has been rated "A ing Douchebag" by the Arbiter. |
All this talk about pain, suffering and bloody gore is starting to make me interested :P
As Stan says in South Park, "Your movie sucked, now give us our $18 back." |
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| occrider |
| So when's the next council going to meet to add the passion of the christ to the new testament? I mean all the fundies are taking it as fact (despite the fact that they're equally ignorant to the origins of the movie as they are to the bible). So when can we codify all of this? Btw, Monty Python's the Life of Brian is being rereleased in American theaters to commemorate the success of jesus chainsaw massacre :). |
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
So when's the next council going to meet to add the passion of the christ to the new testament? I mean all the fundies are taking it as fact (despite the fact that they're equally ignorant to the origins of the movie as they are to the bible). So when can we codify all of this? Btw, Monty Python's the Life of Brian is being rereleased in American theaters to commemorate the success of jesus chainsaw massacre :). |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
That's wrong, I'm not using my arguments from ignorance. I've given you my answers,if you don't like them.Then tough. |
Err, read over what I said again. I was talking about Heinz, although you yourself have used them before.
Secondly, do you even know what an argument from ignorance is?
| quote: | Hey, If you would read back a couple of pages or so. You'd pretty much see that I'm not into that.
The Bible contains no fallacies. The Bible is 100% accurate. |
I take it that you believe the earth is flat then?
Oh, by the way: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
Unless you can successfully explain these away, then you lose, period. The burden of proof is upon you, as you are making the claim. Put up, or shut up.
| quote: | But,I don't go around saying that " everyone that doesn't believe in Jesus and God is going to burn in hell. "
That's not a pleasant way of stating your point of view. |
Are you Heinz? If not, then that obviously wasn't directed at you.
I'm also going to agree with what Drug Tito said, i recently got around to seeing it, and it was nothing more than a sick, twisted excuse to show a guy getting mutilated for hours on end. The visuals were well done imho, but to be honest it was all a bit too barbaric for me.
Ah yes, LOL @ Arbiter. :haha: |
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| anuneventrade |
Well Arbiter, I suppose quite a bit of my family would have starred in that upcoming film, except they were executed.
Nellie, I had my certain thoughts about Jesus when I went in to see the film. Watching someone get brutally beaten for three hours, did not change my mind.
Was it truly necessary to create a film magnifying the atrocities of a book that is still debatable whether even a percentage of it is even accurate? If trying to create a need for the belief in Jesus, wouldn't you focus on the more peaceful events of his life? Leave it to a Christian to attempt to create a mass acception of the fables of the bible through sympathy and pure disgust. |
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