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Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ (pg. 12)
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| ProDiGaL |
loved thos books :)
gogo Ford Perfect |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Trancaholic
most people here dont believe in his existance..and believe that the bible is full of mistakes..all people here pretty much have thier mind set..i would like to ask though..do u guys believe in miracles and if so have any explainaition for it..or are miracles only conincedance? or there isnt such things..
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well..so what if u saw a miracle..like someone who couldnt walk again was able to or couldnt give birth and was able to..and what if someone u know got really sick? dont u wish upon a miracle or something..what do u atheists do? give em a high five or something and wish em luck? just wondering what u do when u know that science cant help u.. |
1. I'd attribute this partly to confirmation bias, for example, you believe that some lady can't give birth and by praying to god she became fertile, yet you would completely ignore the hundreds of other woman who would also pray for the same miracle and receive nothing
2. Research has shown that people who pray to "god" or to "allah" or to "zeus" or "santa claus" (or all four) are more likely to recover from cancer and heart disease. It dosn't matter who you pray to, it could be that gay Oiliphilant, the giant cookie monster or shambola the unholy octopus, as long you have the conviction that this deity is watching over you and helping you, it will. That is how powerful the spiritual mind / body connection is, and there will be alot of research in this area in the future.
As for Atheists they can receive the same benefits through some forms of meditation. This prayer / meditation creates a placebo effect, it helps strengthen your immune system, by helping you overcome a feeling of overwhelming helplessness.
3. You may have seen evangalists on TV who are able to heal people through Gods divine power, after intense mental conditioning the people in the audience usually reach the Alpha state of mind and have impaired judgement and are around 25 times more suggestable. The preacher will then carefully select a person in the audience who is afflicted , and command the person to heal. With the increased suggestibility, this purges emotional tensions (catharsis) which relieves the patient of pain for the time being. The patient then cries out how God has healed him, which in turn further hoodwinks the audiences suggestability, increasing the catharsis of the next dupe to be healed. There you have it an audience in Pavlov's ultra-paradoxical phase of brainwashing for perhaps the rest of their lives
there is no such thing as a miracle just probability |
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| tathi |
The Brainwashing Manual by L. Ron Hubbard is a book i suggest John Travolta read :haha:
i just got the ebook today ;) |
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| ProDiGaL |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
The Brainwashing Manual by L. Ron Hubbard is a book i suggest John Travolta read :haha:
i just got the ebook today ;) |
ahh good ol L,Ron.... it takes a special man to be sued by the followers of the religion he founded :D |
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| nic01445 |
damn. one direct hit, but i blame that on me not being able to concentrate on the confusing wording of the question and my mom staring at the ing screen. |
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| occrider |
I'm not sure if those irrational in their beliefs have the proper vocabulary skills :) |
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| DigiNut |
Yay, flawless victory, I rule! |
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| anuneventrade |
No hits. :)
I would like to point out, that this is a debate forum, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, and has the right to post, unless blatantly retarded/offensive as in the case of LouiseLaBelle. Considering the topic is highly controversial, it being about religion and all, everyone is going to have a different opinion, and many people may not adhere to your particular beliefs. If this is the case, simply disregard the post. IMO, it clearly shows the intolerance level of the person to step outside the box per se and understand that others will have different belief systems than your own.
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Look ma! I can argue like a creationist too! |
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| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Heheh I just read the toad thread. No retraction needed and imo it was perfectly in line. In all honesty the probablility of even one of them working up the individuality to come in here is likely 0. They sound like candy ravers. |
You know... I haven't even been tempted to glance into that thread. The title itself throws an individual off from reading it. ;) |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
*She* contributes absolutely nothing to the debate, that's the problem. She's a little nagging insect that keeps on screaming "No you're wrong I'm right no I can't explain it but I know I am!! Everybody listen to ME!!!"
Yeah she's entitled to believe whatever the hell she wants, but I think there's not a soul left on this forum who doesn't find her religion posts irritating as . |
Agreed. Something tells me it's time to employ the ignore list again... |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
No hits. :)
I would like to point out, that this is a debate forum, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, and has the right to post, unless blatantly retarded/offensive as in the case of LouiseLaBelle. Considering the topic is highly controversial, it being about religion and all, everyone is going to have a different opinion, and many people may not adhere to your particular beliefs. If this is the case, simply disregard the post. IMO, it clearly shows the intolerance level of the person to step outside the box per se and understand that others will have different belief systems than your own.
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See, I would disagree somewhat :). Given the nature of the forum, I think less emphasis is placed upon the respect of beliefs so much as it's placed upon rational judgements derived from a series of facts or argumentative stipulations.
Therefore, one could argue that the "entitlement" of opinion can ONLY be excercised once all rational discussion and debate have been exhausted. So in conclusion, it is our duty to be a pain in the ass?
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You know... I haven't even been tempted to glance into that thread. The title itself throws an individual off from reading it. ;) |
The title makes me want to kill someone. It's so irritating how stupid they are :p |
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