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Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ (pg. 45)
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
Well Arbiter, I suppose quite a bit of my family would have starred in that upcoming film, except they were executed.
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You don't sound too enthusiastic about the movie. I can't say that I blame you.
It's funny how Christian fundamentalists praise this movie which graphically depicts the brutal torture and execution of their "savior" who they "love." I wouldn't be too keen on a movie about the barbaric execution of someone I loved. But I guess "love" in Christianity means you'd be happy to watch them be tortured. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
Idiocity? Talk about immaturity.
It's not a total piece of crap,that is a VERY VERY important movie for many reasons. He didn't go through just 5 minutes of whipping. I'm glad that wasn't cut out,because I think everyone needed/needs to see what happened to Him. Atleast show some respect. |
Well, if you want to be absolutely realistic, he went through some 12 hours of whipping and beating, not just 2.5. So I guess Gibson didn't really do a perfect job, as the movie should have lasted the whole night.
The point I was trying to make is that the movie made no attempt whatsoever to propagate the actual Jesus' teachings, instead it just focused on the beating and whipping without even a slightest insight on the background issues and the reasons for which that beating took place. That sort of an overly simplistic approach completely removes any feelings of pity towards the person getting whipped, as it is not able to portray whether there has been injustice brought upon the person or not, which, in turn, leaves people who are not well-versed in biblical teachings utterly ambivalent towards the movie. I must agree with Arbiter's last post here. There are so many people who have been innocent yet tortured to death (Giordano Bruno, Salem witches...), and although I believe people should definitely acknowledge that those happenings took place (which is actually rather questionable in Jesus's case), making a 3 hour long movie which portrays nothing but the actual procedure of torturing itself is pointless and idiotic. |
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Well, if you want to be absolutely realistic, he went through some 12 hours of whipping and beating, not just 2.5. So I guess Gibson didn't really do a perfect job, as the movie should have lasted the whole night.
The point I was trying to make is that the movie made no attempt whatsoever to propagate the actual Jesus' teachings, instead it just focused on the beating and whipping without even a slightest insight on the background issues and the reasons for which that beating took place. That sort of an overly simplistic approach completely removes any feelings of pity towards the person getting whipped, as it is not able to portray whether there has been injustice brought upon the person or not, which, in turn, leaves people who are not well-versed in biblical teachings utterly ambivalent towards the movie. I must agree with Arbiter's last post here. There are so many people who have been innocent yet tortured to death (Giordano Bruno, Salem witches...), and although I believe people should definitely acknowledge that those happenings took place (which is actually rather questionable in Jesus's case), making a 3 hour long movie which portrays nothing but the actual procedure of torturing itself is pointless and idiotic. |
You just typed out everything I was too lazy to type last night and came back to do today. :D |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
You just typed out everything I was too lazy to type last night and came back to do today. :D |
Damn it, I kept hoping someone would do it instead of me, but couldn't force myself to wait long enough. Hurry up next time, will you? :) |
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Damn it, I kept hoping someone would do it instead of me, but couldn't force myself to wait long enough. Hurry up next time, will you? :) |
Oh, I wasn't hoping for it... but you and I happen to be on the same wavelength, so somehow, subconsciously, you knew what I wanted to say, and decided to do it for me. Thanks! :) ;) |
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| hansolo |
Watch South Park - Passion of the Jew and there in lies the answer about Mel Gibson.
South Park always has the right idea at the end of each show - you must obey it. |
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| MezzicanTrancEr |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Oh, hadn't you heard? God is dead! He was slain in the night by a fellow named reason. |
but for some reason He doesn't go away - I think that's due to a fellow named faith. He might be on TA - might want to hit him up if you're ever depressed. ;) |
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| 00soups00 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
This doesnt really apply to seculars so u can either flame on, or ignore this discussion, but the new Mel Gibson movie is stirring up a huge amount of controversy because many say it is anti-semetic.
many hate groups, white sepremesists a large majority have huge hate for jews. many normal people have mixed feelings about them. but it is all stemming from the belief that Jews killed Jesus. if you "dont" think about it. yes jews did kill jesus. such a horrible crime against the almighty god. but what many christians and other people alike dont understand is that, it was God's will that Jesus be crucified. The Jews actually did God's will by having jesus crucified. if jesus hadnt died in such a way, then we would not be able to be saved, have everlasting life, or ever be accepted into heaven, because of our sinful nature and unrightiousness. we would be doomed forever, because it is only by rightiousness that we are accepted into heaven, not through good works, or just because your a good guy.
jesus died for us, so that we could be saved from this doom, and if one accepts him, becomes christian, and follows the teachings of Jesus, giving up old life, starting anew, then we are righteous before god. none of this could happen if jesus hadnt died on the cross.
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maybe we should thank the jews. because all they did was unconsioussly follow God's will to save us from everlasting death.;) |
this is also assuming that god actually existed.
however to me, this sounds like the words of a justificaton from a guilty party :D |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by MezzicanTrancEr
but for some reason He doesn't go away - I think that's due to a fellow named faith. He might be on TA - might want to hit him up if you're ever depressed. ;) |
WTF?
Of all the dead threads to bump, you had to choose this one. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
WTF?
Of all the dead threads to bump, you had to choose this one. |
I'm tellin ya, it's a Jesus-thread, it can't die! |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by MezzicanTrancEr
but for some reason He doesn't go away - I think that's due to a fellow named faith. He might be on TA - might want to hit him up if you're ever depressed. ;) |
Oh, I was wondering what was causing that stench. In life, he was omnipotent, but in death he's just omnipungent. But I'll keep your suggestion in mind: a few stiff kicks might serve to accelerate his decomposition anyway. |
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| LiquidX |
| Im not going to read all.. but all I gotta say is.. those that think it's anti-simetic, get a clueeeeeeee!!!!!!! .. this movie is based on the bible, the oldest historic book in the world.. is was not made up by him, but done just as described. |
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