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Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ (pg. 4)
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
That's Friedrich Nietzsche, one of the great thinkers of this century. [sarcasm]As a cultured individual I suppose you are already familiar with his writings[/sarcasm] |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
I'd say that's a bit of an understatement.
They're not the same people - the people who did that died a little less than 2000 years ago. They just happen to have the same ethinicity and/or religion that those people did. That's not being stubborn, it's being downright idiotic.
Well he said you could flame on. :) |
well if you're talking about the jews, we actually do consider us to be the same people as 2000 years ago. we still share the same religion and language along with the heratige and traditions. although i may not be at all religious i am proud of my ethnicity/race and the fact that we have a long history.
i just wish some people on here from both sides would be tolerant of other people. its just so stupid to see left wing seculars preach about having personal liberties as long as they dont hurt others but yet when it comes to religion they start bashing and humiliating them. tolerence, please. |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
Thessalonians 5:2
for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. |
Wow, a Bible quote. Since the bible has absolutley no meaning to me, move along please.
| quote: | | whoever said any of that 2000 millinial crap was wrong. it wasnt just radical christians m8. seculars got all wound up over the y2k computer bug. so dont chastise all christians for a small minorities mindless prediction. |
Define 'seculars'. Back up that claim. I'd personally be shocked if most of the people hyping the Y2K bug weren't religious in some way or form. Making stupid statements like that really doesn't help your cause. FYI, at least the Y2K thing was at least marginally believable, and some systems did go down, although evidently it was a load of crap.
| quote: | the bible also explains people like you.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. |
Your point?
| quote: | | they deny the existance of god, because if they accepted who god was, that would reveal how bad they reall are. who wants to be told that the way they live is the wrong way, and that you cant follow what u want to do, but must follow your creators will, to right all the wrongs in your life. but if you live in darkness, you dont want to see the light, because u love the darkness. |
Err, no. I deny the existence of god because there is no evidence that one exists. How on earth do you know what every single non-religious person is like. What do you base your claim that we would 'reveal how bad we really are' on?
Nice sermon, it's such a shame that it's utterly meaningless. I'm perfectly happy to be told that I'm wrong, but only when the other person has the evidence on their side. Since you do not (If you do, feel free to present it), your sermons have no effect on me whatsoever. It is you who refuses to see the light. Making a load of unsupported assertions doesn't give you the moral high ground.
| quote: | | to people like cyprussking, acknowledging god would reveal to you, that your living your life in the wrong way, not according to jesus/god. so why acknowledge him?? that would just make you seem bad/evil, which you dont believe. so, its easier for you just to not acknowledge god, and to avoid the subject altogether. |
Couldn't I simply turn that argument around on you and use it in the same manner from an atheistic point of view?
And how do atheists/agnostics/humanists etc. avoid the subject altogether? In general, they are far more educated on the topic, because they have examined it and decided that the evidence was found wanting. Why acknowledge him indeed? Since I have no evidence to support the validity of the claims of any of thee major mono (and poly) theistic religions, why believe? Show me the evidence. :p
| quote: | | you can believe after u die, u just rot in the ground, but other people would rather believe that their souls continue for eternity. because it is in our nature, that we dont want to die. |
And there you have it. "I want it to be true, therefore it is true". I can use the same logic to prove the existence of Frank, the blue eared Oiliphant who causes people to be gay! "I want Frank to exist, so therefore he does exist!"
Come on, you're really going to have to do better than that.
| quote: | | the day of judgement may be a very bad day for you crpressking. when you will finally see god right in front of you, asking you why you are not in the book of life. what are you going to tell him....nothing, therefore you will be eternally judged. many people dont want that to happen to them. those people are called christians. and on that day of judgement. god will instead say to them. "WELL DONE,MY GOOD AND FAITHFULL SERVANT. ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN" on that day, ill probably bow down and sob at his majesty, that finally life is over, no more suffering. |
Firstly, who the hell is 'crpressking'. Secondly, please provide some reputable evidence to back up your claim that the day of judgement will actually occur.
Here's an interesting one, prove that god exists. Until then, take your ignorant prothesithing elsewhere.
Methinks religion has enslaved your mind. :thepirate
| quote: | Originally posted by LouisLaBelle
Arbiter is that a pic of the grampa you have sex with?
Because you have no religion do you like to commit incest? |
If there was a retard of the year award, I'd nominate you. :) |
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| DJ-Kreing^^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I just have to let this out
There is no God
There is no Heaven
There was no supernatural Jesus
When we die, we rot. We become one with existence itself in another form (creamation, burial, organ donar, frozen..etc..)
Do you beleive in the tooth fairy...santa clause...elves, magical wizards, dragons, ghosts, the sandman....if not.. what makes you beleive such a similar character??
Jesus was supposed to return in 2000 wasnt he???? 2000 years after his death? To judge us? WHERE WAS HE??
I know.. i know.. you are going to give me some bull excuse or explanation about why or how he came or didnt come...
If God was all powerful.. WHY WONT HE PROVE HIMSELF?????
oh yes.. i forgot... we are a test!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
I totally agree with you man, imagine the world with out all the religions and all that bull, Im sure it would have been a much better place to live in.
Its so stupid, just think of all the people that loose their lives in the name of god. |
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| priveye03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LouisLaBelle
You guys are in serious need of some morals, culture and heritage what do you guys have no parents or famile obviously you people grew up in a divorced household of no morals or something.
You are saying 1 billion muslims, 1 billion catholics and 15 million jews are all stupid, shame on you. |
Let me turn this around. I bet all you Catholics grew up in a 1 parent household where everyday meaningless facts and un-supported evidence for Jesus's existence were shoved down your throught until you were brainwashed enough to go out and preech it. Hmmmmmm...I like your arguement style, incoherent, un-supported, general, and I must say utterly retarded. No Sir, shame on you.
Ok arctic, now you are offending me by discussing my savior, Frank, the blue eared Oiliphant who causes people to be gay!:whip: :whip: |
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| astroboy |
| Because no system of logic can ever be complete, there will always be things that are left unexplained... and God will be evoked to explain them. God is the residual, the epsilon at the end of the regression formula of the universe, if you will. |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^
I totally agree with you man, imagine the world with out all the religions and all that bull, Im sure it would have been a much better place to live in.
Its so stupid, just think of all the people that loose their lives in the name of god. |
On the other hand, think about a world without the "10 Commandments".
why are you so sure that modern law as you know it today would be same without religion? yes, some people kill in the name of god - but for the majority of believers god and their religion are their strongest conscience - making them think twice before robbing a store, killing or even having sex with members of their family...
p.s. Roman, nice to see you visit here :cool: |
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| DJ-Kreing^^ |
Yeah some good points there michael.
Nice to see you here as well, It's a really good way for me to practice my English for the Final exams this summer. ;) |
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| priveye03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
On the other hand, think about a world without the "10 Commandments".
why are you so sure that modern law as you know it today would be same without religion? yes, some people kill in the name of god - but for the majority of believers god and their religion are their strongest conscience - making them think twice before robbing a store, killing or even having sex with members of their family...
p.s. Roman, nice to see you visit here :cool: |
Very good point. Non-extremist religion I believe can do some good. The principles that the church teachs can be a very good moral base for small children. I just think when it is taken as the only way and when logic is thrown out the window that it becomes dangerous. |
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| tranceaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by priveye03
Very good point. Non-extremist religion I believe can do some good. The principles that the church teachs can be a very good moral base for small children. I just think when it is taken as the only way and when logic is thrown out the window that it becomes dangerous. |
well doesnt that depend on the person..the church,parents teach you about religion,how to use those teachings,think about them or applying is something you decide on.how extreme u go is dependant on the person. |
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| occrider |
| Hollywood and religion? What could possibly go wrong? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Damnit! Damnit! Damnit!
I just don't wanna sit this one out! Hopefully it will close before I jump in....
Must resist a little longer....... |
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