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Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ (pg. 33)
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
[font=comic sans ms]So some people you know were bothered. The majority aren't. If someone fully believes in their faith, they aren't going to be bothered by what another religion thinks. That's why they are part of a different religion. |
I wasn't talking about minority,or majority. But, still some people are bothered by the fact of hell.
And Kris, Trust me. He was pretty dang deep into atheism, He would get angry even if we said " Thank God ". Despite the differences between beliefs, we got along quite well actually.
| quote: | | You still didn't answer my question. |
Your question was? |
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
I wasn't talking about minority,or majority. But, still some people are bothered by the fact of hell. |
So you base your theory that others are bothered by Christians saying their going to hell by a few people rather than a vast majority? :rolleyes:
| quote: | | And Kris, Trust me. He was pretty dang deep into atheism, He would get angry even if we said " Thank God ". Despite the differences between beliefs, we got along quite well actually. |
I don't think I ever said anything about people not getting along because of their religious preferences. If he was an Aethist and was bothered by you saying he was going to hell, then obviously he wasn't a true Aethist.
Explain to me why there are so many years missing of Jesus' life in the bible. |
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| PhloTron |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
[stupid font=comic sans ms]Really, because I believe in something COMPLETELY different than you, and I'm not bothered in the least that you think that I'm going to hell for it. I know that believing in the divine and living through good karma my next life will lead me closer to supreme knowledge. And there are many people in here who don't believe in Christianity, and I don't think they're bothered either. Let's ask them.
POLITICAL FORUM BROWSERS- Are you bothered that Christians believe that you're going to hell?
I think that enough people have proved that there are. Why don't you tell me then, why Jesus is missing the years 18-32 in the bible?
You know? Then why don't you understand that Christianity is not the ultimate religion?[/ stupid font] |
You obvioulsly are bothered by the thought (not hell as in specific, but the religion in general) because you are so adimate about posting about it...it obvioulsly bothers you what people think about you. It's human nature to wonder what others think about you. It's just up to that person to either act on those thoughts, or attempt to counter them by passive means. The easiest thing to do would be to write it off, continue with your own beliefs and be happy about it. However, it's pretty simple here that you'd just rather argue about it and try and prove that you are in the right. And when you speak of hypocracy...maybe the first place you should look is at yourself.
I'm a Catholic, and I hardly think I'm part of the ultimate religion, nor do I think everyone else is wrong. I have my beliefs and I stick to them. I don't try and prove or disprove who is right or wrong. I not a big fan of being stereotyped...even though it's the easy scapegoat for most people to do.
A persons beliefs will take them where they wish to go after passing...trying to prove or disprove that those beliefs are false...is futile.
*sigh*...time for Todai Japanese Buffet |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
Explain to me why there are so many years missing of Jesus' life in the bible.[/font] |
Because those years were completely boring to write down! I mean, really, you want to read about someone's being a carpenter, go down to Home Depot and read a home-improvement manual.
Sheesh! That was an easy one. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
I don't believe God will let a person go to hell if they haven't had the chance of hearing about Him. In these kind of cases,they are judged by their heart,and only God can do this. |
But wait. It SAYS in the New testament that the only way to heaven is through Jesus. Therefore, according to the bible, these people CAN'T go to heaven ... therefore they go to hell. So why are you taking literal interpretations of the bible in saying that those who do not accept Jesus are going to hell yet say you believe that those who haven't heard of Jesus (and therefore do not accept him) are judged by their hearts and go to heaven? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
But wait. It SAYS in the New testament that the only way through heaven is through Jesus. Therefore, according to the bible, these people CAN'T go to heaven ... therefore they go to hell. So why are you taking literal interpretations of the bible in saying that those who do not accept Jesus are going to hell yet say you believe that those who haven't heard of Jesus (and therefore do not accept him) are judged by their hearts and go to heaven? |
Ahh, damnit you beat me to it.... |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Ahh, damnit you beat me to it.... |
Typical. Just like you heathens to be slow! :) |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Typical. Just like you heathens to be slow! :) |
Who you be callin' a heathen, HEATHEN?!?!?!? |
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| albertoR |
| quote: | Originally posted by priveye03
So let me get this straight, God and Jesus are perfect correct? But they can basically do/command people to do things that get them a quick ticket to the eternal flames of hell. So I guess being a hypocrite makes you perfect. Well then slap me silly and call me Jesus... |
Not really, if they are commanding them, obviously the won't go to hell. "they have God's permission to do it" Get it? not so hard to understand. I belive God is considered perfect because he basically is all powerfull, he is "The Alpha and the Omega". He judges perfectly according to HIS eyes. Some people agree with his judgement, others don't.
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Well first of all, the entire point of the post is to not take the bible literally. Especially since it was written by an enormous number of people who were MEN. The ongoing debate is whether the bible should be taken at face value and literally because it is the WORD of God through men. If it IS the word of God through men then it's quite clear that God probably has alzheimer's or something. |
Actually, the contradictions page is the one taking things literally. Im just applying the correct context the goes along with the lines. Im not agreeing to it. However, its pretty much all out of context if you only grab one line and compare it with another.
| quote: | | Exactly. The bible was written by men who are prone to error and flaws just like any other person. Therefore it's credibility can be called into question. |
Its credibility? uhmm, that is debatable weather you believe in it or not, so you cant's really make a conclusion weather its credible or not, its about faith. I think the correct term is it's ACCURACY can be called into question.
| quote: | | Hmmmm ok I see, so when God says thou shall not kill, he's only referring to the people that are innocent? So in every instance of the bible where God says to kill, that person is automattically one that he's judged and deemed worthy of elimination? |
Yeah that is exactly correct, glad you comprehend. Although when God says "Thou shall not kill", its a commandment applied to the people only and not to him. If God gives permission to kill, "it is ok". God has the power of both good and evil. He is considered good to those who serve him well, and only those will recieve his love. He is just to those who serve him and those who throw themselves at his mercy. His infidels on the other hand will die.
| quote: | | 13:6 And the king answered and said unto the man of God, Intreat now the face of the LORD thy God, and pray for me, that my hand may be restored me again. And the man of God besought the LORD, and the king's hand was restored him again, and became as it was before. |
His hand was restored. Did you miss that part? God tests peoples loyalty. Just like he tested Adam and Eve. He had devised a ruele and then found a way of persuading them to break it, in order to invent punishment. He knew that Adam and Eve would become bored with perfections and would, sooner or later test his patience. He set a trap, maybe because the Almighty Lord was bored with everything going so smoothly. When the law was broken, God even pretended to pursue them, as if he did not already know every possible hididng place. With the angles looking on, amused by the game.
But back to the sacrificial part, ive never seen God ask for sacrifice and let it happen and let the blood spill without Him restoring the deed or stopping the sacrifice before it occurs. Find a line that has a complete sacrifice with no restoration, and prove me wrong. |
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by PhloTron
You obvioulsly are bothered by the thought (not hell as in specific, but the religion in general) because you are so adimate about posting about it... |
I thought this was a debate forum, in which you argue your point? I'm not bothered by it in the least. I already posted my beliefs. I know that through living life I shall prepare myself for my next one, which eventually will lead me to supreme knowledge. I just think it's ridiculous that Christians have a tendency to say everyone's going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus. I believe in Krishna, and I'm not going to hell.
| quote: | | it obvioulsly bothers you what people think about you. |
Nope, not at all :D
| quote: | | It's human nature to wonder what others think about you. It's just up to that person to either act on those thoughts, or attempt to counter them by passive means. The easiest thing to do would be to write it off, continue with your own beliefs and be happy about it. However, it's pretty simple here that you'd just rather argue about it and try and prove that you are in the right. |
Or perhaps I'm in a DEBATE, and usually, when a person debates, they try to prove their point, and correct others.
| quote: | | And when you speak of hypocracy...maybe the first place you should look is at yourself. |
Why don't you show me where I was hypocritical.
| quote: | | I'm a Catholic, and I hardly think I'm part of the ultimate religion, nor do I think everyone else is wrong. I have my beliefs and I stick to them. I don't try and prove or disprove who is right or wrong. I not a big fan of being stereotyped...even though it's the easy scapegoat for most people to do. |
Congradulations. Want a cookie?
| quote: | | A persons beliefs will take them where they wish to go after passing...trying to prove or disprove that those beliefs are false...is futile. |
That's not what I was trying to do. I was trying to get it through Nellie's head that not everyone cares that she thinks they are going to hell. Considering Christianity is the main religion which is forced upon people, I think it's incorrect to assume that the entire world is going to be bothered because of the fact that she thinks they are going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus. As I stated previously, many religions were around before Christianity, it is not the supreme religion.
| quote: | | *sigh*...time for Todai Japanese Buffet |
SUSHI AND SAKE!!!!!!!! |
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| PhloTron |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
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Congradulations. Want a cookie?
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If you are going to be such a smart ass, you could at least spell it right. There shall be no excuses either. :D
ty :) |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
But wait. It SAYS in the New testament that the only way to heaven is through Jesus. Therefore, according to the bible, these people CAN'T go to heaven ... therefore they go to hell. So why are you taking literal interpretations of the bible in saying that those who do not accept Jesus are going to hell yet say you believe that those who haven't heard of Jesus (and therefore do not accept him) are judged by their hearts and go to heaven? |
But,God is fair. If they haven't had the chance of hearing about God,they will be judge by their heart. You aren't stumping me here you know. |
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