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Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ (pg. 46)
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| djsubsonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I just have to let this out
There is no God
There is no Heaven
There was no supernatural Jesus
When we die, we rot. We become one with existence itself in another form (creamation, burial, organ donar, frozen..etc..)
Do you beleive in the tooth fairy...santa clause...elves, magical wizards, dragons, ghosts, the sandman....if not.. what makes you beleive such a similar character??
Jesus was supposed to return in 2000 wasnt he???? 2000 years after his death? To judge us? WHERE WAS HE??
I know.. i know.. you are going to give me some bull excuse or explanation about why or how he came or didnt come...
If God was all powerful.. WHY WONT HE PROVE HIMSELF?????
oh yes.. i forgot... we are a test!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
ok.. i go to Catholic school and i am a pretty religious person.. and to my knowledge.. nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus was coming back in the year 2000... and u said 2000 yrs after his death.. but he was born about 4-5 BC (a recently discovered fact) and he died at 33 years old (approx) .. which would mean that your estimate to his return has not come yet, as it would be in the year 2028 or 2029..
and if there is no God, then where did the universe come from.. according to the laws of physics.. energy is not created, it is transferred.. so .. where did all the energy in the universe come from? it cant just appear.. something had to make it appear.. which is why God is supernatural.. he has powers beyond the laws of our world, because he created it all..
now this is just my outlook on that aspect... believe what you want.. but i was mainly trying to point out the error in your statement about Jesus coming back in the year 2000...
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on a separate note regarding the anti-semitism... the movie was pretty much 100% accurate to the Gospels in portraying the story, and guess who wrote those? .. JEWS! .. so how could u call a Jew a Jew-hater?! it just does not make sense... and, like someone else has said before in this thread, Jesus was supposed to die that way.. or else we would not have the ability to be saved.. so whoever technically killed him, should be forgiven. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
You don't sound too enthusiastic about the movie. I can't say that I blame you.
It's funny how Christian fundamentalists praise this movie which graphically depicts the brutal torture and execution of their "savior" who they "love." I wouldn't be too keen on a movie about the barbaric execution of someone I loved. But I guess "love" in Christianity means you'd be happy to watch them be tortured. |
That's not what it's about. It reminds the the Christians what Jesus went through as our savior.. and therefore this movie re-captures and reminds the christians of the pain and everything else, all to give the christians the chance to repent and have the opportunity to be saved. So is not about been happy watching our savior be tortured.. no one is happy to it, is the other way around, it shocks the believer and it has, in some cases, meditate and look at the way of life differently, for those that have never thought, nor read about what jesus went through. But yes, you are not a believer, therefore you just see it differently, but what you described is totally out of the context really :rolleyes: |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I just have to let this out
There is no God
There is no Heaven
There was no supernatural Jesus
When we die, we rot. We become one with existence itself in another form (creamation, burial, organ donar, frozen..etc..)
Do you beleive in the tooth fairy...santa clause...elves, magical wizards, dragons, ghosts, the sandman....if not.. what makes you beleive such a similar character??
Jesus was supposed to return in 2000 wasnt he???? 2000 years after his death? To judge us? WHERE WAS HE??
I know.. i know.. you are going to give me some bull excuse or explanation about why or how he came or didnt come...
If God was all powerful.. WHY WONT HE PROVE HIMSELF?????
oh yes.. i forgot... we are a test!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
What you first mention, well, that's your belief, you are not proving anything.
Secondly, Jesus was neeeeeeeever predicted to come in 2000, it does not say that anywhere. No one knows when will Jesus come.
The bible does and has given hints as to the times that we will have to go through before Jesus comes, meaning, signs. You can perhaps read some of Apocalypsis for a bit for your knowledge, and then you could give some opinion of what you thought about it.
God is all powerful, but there's also Faith, which is what every religious person has ( The Jews, Musloms, Christians etc etc.. )
And yes, we are been tested now. We have all been given the " free wheel" which gives you the choice to accept or not accept things. To go the right path, or the wrong path. But hey, your choice, your beliefes, I respect. I feel like a preacher, heh.. |
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| djsubsonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
That's not what it's about. It reminds the the Christians what Jesus went through as our savior.. and therefore this movie re-captures and reminds the christians of the pain and everything else, all to give the christians the chance to repent and have the opportunity to be saved. So is not about been happy watching our savior be tortured.. no one is happy to it, is the other way around, it shocks the believer and it has, in some cases, meditate and look at the way of life differently, for those that have never thought, nor read about what jesus went through. But yes, you are not a believer, therefore you just see it differently, but what you described is totally out of the context really :rolleyes: |
to add my thoughts here too.. i thought it was an awesome movie... but not because i enjoyed it.. its because it was so powerful.. and it was breathtaking to see the stories that i know from reading the Bible acted out the way they really happened .. not numbed down in violence like past movies about Jesus have been.. a crucifixion was not a pretty sight as many people, even most Catholics, think it is.. so why have a movie thats supposed to tell the story with images tell what didnt happen?
also, i think that even if you are atheist and you watch the movie you will be affected by it.. if not from the fact that it is about Jesus, from the fact that you are seeing a fellow human being tortured to death like that.. |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djsubsonik
and if there is no God, then where did the universe come from.. according to the laws of physics.. energy is not created, it is transferred.. so .. where did all the energy in the universe come from? it cant just appear.. something had to make it appear.. which is why God is supernatural.. he has powers beyond the laws of our world, because he created it all.. |
Okay, applying your same standards to God: where did God come from? Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so what created God? ...and so on and so fourth.
...But of course, because God is supernatural, he didn't need to be created! Can the universe not be held to the same standard? Why can the universe simply not have always existed?
Someone please kill this thread. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by nic01445
Someone please kill this thread. |
nooo :p
/me bring the popcorns to see what these new fundies can bring :) |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by nic01445
Someone please kill this thread. |
i concur :) this topic sucks |
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| djsubsonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
i concur :) this topic sucks |
no1 is asking you to take part in it |
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| MezzicanTrancEr |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
WTF?
Of all the dead threads to bump, you had to choose this one. |
Sorry man! I just didn't find the current thread discussing "whether or not Lindsay Loham skanks herself" worthwhile.
:D
...i must have missed the memo on the rules regarding "thread bumping". My bad! :rolleyes:
Oh and I almost forgot to mention, I'll try my hardest to run my next post by you. Cool? Great!!! HAHA sorry I had to...and another thing if posts like this bother you please move on, sooooo simple. ;) |
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| The Greek |
| i feel like an ass posting this 4 months after the thread appeared but since it was bumped here goes. its amazing how over a long period of time evrything's existance becomes questionable. you think one day far into the future there would be debating over whether tranceaddict ever existed? you can bet on it! |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
That's not what it's about. It reminds the the Christians what Jesus went through as our savior.. and therefore this movie re-captures and reminds the christians of the pain and everything else, all to give the christians the chance to repent and have the opportunity to be saved. So is not about been happy watching our savior be tortured.. no one is happy to it, is the other way around, it shocks the believer and it has, in some cases, meditate and look at the way of life differently, for those that have never thought, nor read about what jesus went through. But yes, you are not a believer, therefore you just see it differently, but what you described is totally out of the context really :rolleyes: |
I think understand now. It isn't millions of sadistic s who are praising this movie, it's millions of "believers" who have "never thought, nor read about what jesus went through."
So, these believers (who do not, apparently, actually know what they believe in) enjoy watching the movie because it "shocks" them and "reminds them of the pain and everything else" that Jesus needlessly went through so that Christians would have "the chance to repent and have the opportunity to be saved."
Well that makes perfect sense. But I have a couple of questions:
- How are these people believers if they don't even know what Jesus went through? That's pretty damn fundamental to the religion.
- Why don't they just read about it instead of watching gory, ad nauseum scenes depicting brutal torture?
- Why would it please them to watch someone be tortured, when, if only their God were a little more benevolent, it could have easily been avoided altogether?
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| arctic |
Fresh meat! :p
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
this movie is based on the bible, the oldest historic book in the world.. |
What?
Firstly, the bible is hardly historical, most of the events it contains are wholly fictional. Secondly, there are numerous books that are far older than the bible, and are actually historic.
| quote: | Originally posted by MezzicanTrancEr
Sorry man! I just didn't find the current thread discussing "whether or not Lindsay Loham skanks herself" worthwhile.
:D
...i must have missed the memo on the rules regarding "thread bumping". My bad! :rolleyes:
Oh and I almost forgot to mention, I'll try my hardest to run my next post by you. Cool? Great!!! HAHA sorry I had to...and another thing if posts like this bother you please move on, sooooo simple. ;) |
It's not the thread bumping per say, it's the misdirecting Jesus threads. These Jesus threads have a habit of coming back from the dead – as DrUg_Tit0 kindly pointed out for us. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by djsubsonik
and if there is no God, then where did the universe come from.. according to the laws of physics.. energy is not created, it is transferred.. so .. where did all the energy in the universe come from? it cant just appear.. something had to make it appear.. which is why God is supernatural.. he has powers beyond the laws of our world, because he created it all.. |
The Kalam cosmological argument is problematic for you (as a theist) to utilize because;
A) There's no empirical evidence to suggest that the universe was divinely created – you're reduced to 'the god of the gaps' line of reasoning, which is utterly illogical and unscientific.
B) The argument can be turned around and used on the theist, because god too would have had to have had a cause.
| quote: | | now this is just my outlook on that aspect... believe what you want.. but i was mainly trying to point out the error in your statement about Jesus coming back in the year 2000... |
DrUg_TiTo is the expert on this area, but as far as I know, there's a air amount of evidence to suggest that the early orthodox Christians thought that Jesus would return in their lifetimes. Ever since Christianity was created Christians have been setting dates or Jesus' second coming. Honestly, we've been in the 'end-times' for over 2000 years now. Surely there comes a time when you've speculated enough? |
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