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Religious debate on Jews/Passion of the Christ (pg. 6)
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| anuneventrade |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancepixie17
** Ok. I am not going to argue with you. We all have our own beliefs. No offense, but you said there was no god, then you said God told you you were his son....confused here! |
It's called sarcasm. |
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| trancepixie17 |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
It's called sarcasm. |
** Oh, yea sure, I knew that I was just frustrated with mr. cryus. thanks though |
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| Heinz |
alyssa.......come on!!! u got something to add to this!?
| quote: | well, actually i believe that you are mistaken when you say "yes jews did kill jesus" . to quote the "Bible":
The Gospel of John, 18:31
Pilate said "Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law."
"But we have no right to execute anyone" the Jews objected.
The Romans executed Jesus using a standard Roman method of torture/execution - crucifixion. The standard Jewish practice of execution was stoning (see martyrdom of Stephen - Acts of the Apostles 7:54-60).
I am not discounting your faith at all, but I think the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion due to the massive amounts of media action (always great for a release - means $$$$ to everyone involved in the production).
Nor am I endorsing any belief system (my family is staunch Italian Catholics, in fact, my mother believes that she has a direct line to the Holy Mother -- go figure!!!)
I feel that it is a person's right to believe in something, anything, even anti-believing if it makes them feel good about themselves and their place in the world. The fact that a person tries to shove his/her system in my face, that's what makes me angry. |
cammie, i already cleared this up. look at my posts on the last page...
;) ;) ;) |
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| trancepixie17 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
alyssa.......come on!!! u got something to add to this!?
cammie, i already cleared this up. look at my posts on the last page...
;) ;) ;) |
** What was the supposed to mean Heinz?!!!!If it was sarcasm too, i'll call you by your first REAL BIRTH NAME lol. i will! |
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| rizen |
Can't wait for tomorrow :D
I already heard some mustards going nuts and bitching about it. Wish the bible thumpers would be as idiotic as they are about gay marriage and ten commandments, and lead the way to stop supporting Israel. |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
people, prove to me god isnt real!! just because something cannot be measured by science does not prove it isnt true. can science measure love?? no, but u know, that people have a feeling called love.
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I hold the opinion that you've completely lost your sense of reality, but I'll persevere none the less.
It's interesting to note that you completely ignored my first post, aside from one minor question about how you define 'seculars'. Am I to take it that you had no solid rebuttals to the things I said?
You also ignored Arbiter, once again, I presume he/she struck a nerve. You still haven't provided any evidence to prove that the Christian god exists. Until you do that, people have every right to doubt what you say, especially when your posts consist of incoherent ranting as the above one did. I believe that the Christian god can essentially be proved not to exist, although I evidently can't prove that all the other gods Zeus and so on) do not exist. Then again, can you prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist? I sincerely doubt it. |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by rizen
Can't wait for tomorrow :D
I already heard some mustards going nuts and bitching about it. Wish the bible thumpers would be as idiotic as they are about gay marriage and ten commandments, and lead the way to stop supporting Israel. |
They need Israel to be in the hands of the Jews so that Jesus can return, and all the Jews burn in a ball of fire or something for their sins. I can't remember the specifics, but yeah, that's it in a nutshell. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
opus, no one is going to read that:D |
I'm willing to bet that a few interested and educated folks here decided to do just that. It was a clear logical rebuttal, supported by sound research, to some common arguments towards those who believe you're unlikely to be as healthy as a Christian.
Why did you choose not to read it?
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| quote: | | people, prove to me god isnt real!! just because something cannot be measured by science does not prove it isnt true. can science measure love?? no, but u know, that people have a feeling called love. |
Incorrect assessment. As a few have stated here already, the burden is on YOU to prove that which you believe, not the opposite. As Arbiter so eloquently stated:
| quote: | | If the mere fact that some proposition was not or could not be disproven was sufficient to justify belief in that proposition, then one would be inclined to believe any number of absurd things. |
Your response, please.
And I believe priveye03 gave a nice article indicating the research aspects of "love". There are others similar to that one. Your response?
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| quote: | | your non-belief in the bible's truth is like me saying to you, the day is made of the sun and light, and night is made of the moon, and darkness, and then u saying, thats not true! |
I understand how this may appear to you, but I do not believe a great many things in the bible reveal too many "truths" at all. There are a plethora of contradictions, historical and logical, throughout the Bible's literature, which gives very little credibility to it's "truths" overall. I'll but give you just a couple with the versus you gave us.
Incidentally, I find it unfortunate that you have to back up your stance with Bible verses, considering many here do not see it as a credible source in the first place. But let's continue:
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| quote: | Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. |
Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
One says that you'll never be forgiven on one particular aspect (Holy Ghost), the other says you will from ALL THINGS. Interesting.
| quote: | keep throughing out the blasphemies. if the 7 year tribulation is to come soon, u will all have the chance to fight christians. the abomination of desolation will declare himself as god, so u will worship him, because he will show u the signs u want to prove divinity. after that, he'll lead u through the worst time in the history of the earth...Matthew 24
21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect(those saved after the rapture) those days will be shortened.
Matthew 24
15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination(anti-christ) that causes desolation... |
Let's read Matthew 24:14-15 in it's entirety:
24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Problem: In Matthew 10:23, Jesus said the end would come BEFORE the gospel reached all cities of Israel. But the gospel, no doubt has been preached across the world regardless (as Paul says in Romans 10:18), yet the world hasn't ended. Gosh, too bad for those Christians, just waiting to die.
| quote: | Revelation 13:7
He was given power to make war against the saints(christians) and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.<(the entire world) |
I always thought John was on some serious drugs when he wrote Revelation. Nevertheless, it still has some interesting stuff in it, albeit completely ficticious in nature.
| quote: | Matthew 24
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
^^^^7 year period of terrible pain for those people left on earth after the rapture of the saints(christians). about 3 years into this period, u will see your leader, the anti-christ enter the new temple built in jerusalem, blasphemy against god, and put an idol of himself in the temples center, disgracing the temple, and declaring himself god. your leader will be given the power from satan to be able to make war against the saints left on the earth, and under him, u will be able to carry out all your desires, anything u want, youll be able to do. kill christians, torture them. u will feel an intense hatred of all christians in that time, and want to kill every last one of them. but u will not, and the last battle of armageddon will spell the end of the leader and his followers... |
I reiterate: in Matthew 10:23, Jesus said the end would come BEFORE the gospel reached all cities of Israel. But the gospel, no doubt has been preached across the world regardless (as Paul says in Romans 10:18), yet the world hasn't ended.
Gosh I just love contradictions!
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| quote: | | LouisLaBelle, plz no longer respond in this topic, because all u have done is say some of the most hypocrital things ive ever heard. and why would u send a PM, saying "have fun burning in hell". who do u think u are?? that u are somehow better than anyone on this earth?? u, as i, as well as this entire earth deserves to die in hell. but jesus gave us the chance to be saved from this doom. maybe u have been saved from it, and maybe u havnt, u are no better than any of the people in here. that just got me angry. |
Yeah, he certainly doesn't appear to be an open-minded swell kinda guy, does he?
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| quote: | i define seculars as anyone, who's life is not devoted to any religion. atheistic, etc. if your life is not governed by a religion, then u are secular. thats my definition of it.
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I define "scrumptious" as partially soggy Lucky Charms where I've eaten most of the crunchy parts and left the marshmallow bits for last (gotta save the best for the end). My cats define "scrumptious" as drinking the sugary milk from my Lucky Charms bowl when I'm finished.
I guess we all have our own personal subjective definitions we just simply must adhere to.
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| quote: | | most of u wont believe a thing i just said, but i along with millions of other people believe it as true. |
Logical fallacy: argumentum ad popularum
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html
What others believe hardly gives credence to what is actually true. Many others thought the earth was flat too. Once sound evidence is presented that indicates otherwise, the majority eventually starts to pay attention. But I guess there are still those who refuse to adhere to reason:
http://www.flat-earth.org/
| quote: | | if the responses are intelligent and dont contain any personal insults of me, and my beliefs, ill keep responding. i dont insult in any way, you, or your secular, atheistic, or pagan views. so dont insult mine. |
I certainly hope you do continue responding. But please don't expect anyone to not question your beliefs if you choose to throw your beliefs upon everyone here. It is a debate forum, so please be prepared to debate those beliefs which you have CHOSEN to enlight everyone. |
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| WhoaNellie1487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I just have to let this out
There is no God
There is no Heaven
There was no supernatural Jesus |
And of course that's only your opinion.
| quote: | | Do you beleive in the tooth fairy...santa clause...elves, magical wizards, dragons, ghosts, the sandman....if not.. what makes you beleive such a similar character?? |
You cannot compared the Tooth fairy,Santa clause,elves or any of that stuff to Jesus/God. There is a HUGE difference. Jesus died on the cross for us, He gave his life so that we could have life. I don't think the tooth fairy,or any of those other characters did such,or for that fact could do such. To try and compare Jesus to those characters is just an insult.
| quote: | | Jesus was supposed to return in 2000 wasnt he???? 2000 years after his death? To judge us? WHERE WAS HE?? |
What? Uhm,no that's not true. No one knows when Jesus will return.
| quote: | | If God was all powerful.. WHY WONT HE PROVE HIMSELF????? |
One word, Faith. |
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| rizen |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
They need Israel to be in the hands of the Jews so that Jesus can return, and all the Jews burn in a ball of fire or something for their sins. I can't remember the specifics, but yeah, that's it in a nutshell. |
By ball of fire, you mean huge nuke right? |
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