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more trance producers than listeners ? Airbase quits... (pg. 15)
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| Ken_Allen |
but a brain can do anything a computer can do, even more :D
What made computers? Brains |
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| Luke Terry |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ken_Allen
but a brain can do anything a computer can do, even more :D
What made computers? Brains |
so u can play an arpeg like in gouryella - ligaya, exactly in time, just as a midi signal would send?
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| Digital Aura |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
The thing is, trance in its current state can't evolve. Whenever someone tries to introduce new sounds to trance they put it in a new genre/subgenre. Look at Ferry's productions for example - it's still trance (same structure and feel), he just changed the sounds from the usual presets somewhat and suddenly we have a new genre they call "electro trance". Great. |
So true...I always feel the n00b when someone says, "Oh that's not TRANCE thats "NU_NRG Breakbeat Tribal twostep".
Gimme a break already. Good point Mystery.:conf: |
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| State of Matter |
Ken, just because your brain can theorize it doesnt mean your hands can perform it. Thats what computers are for. It brings theory to tangibility with machine accuracy.
And as Subtle said, producing good trance with good sounds is difficult, more difficult sometimes than playing an instrument, as i can say from personal experience. |
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| Derivative |
surely its irrelevant the number of additional nameplates you tack onto it? if the essence of the music is still there you can call it what you want. at some point trance started to become more about the build up and the drop than about a constant hypnotic kind of rhythym...trance became rather too complex and varied to be called just 'trance' - it wouldnt do the variety of the genre any justice. so it fragmented into many different subsets of itself which branch out on different tangents with different starting points and different end points. the name of each one is irrelevant. trance still evolves and all the little branches split up again to form more branches and it just changes and changes and changes. some of those tangents will eventually become their own acknowledged independant style (like psytrance which has distanced itself from trance yet ironically has more in common with the origins of trance than modern trance does. confusing huh?).
you will have elitists in any scene. the problem i have with the majority of elitism is that its a very static view of what a particular type of music is based on the name its been given. emo has a huge elitist moron fanbase. the bands that made emo like saetia and yaphett kotto dont even like being called emo and they dont call their songs emo songs. they make music the only way they know how to. the press and the fans coined the term emo and its the diehard fans that seem to decide whether a certain band makes the emo criteria.
i think of deep house and acid jazz as the spiritual successor to funk and blues. the essence of it is there. thats not to say that the blues is dead and gone. not a chance in hell, its just used in a way thats so different from what it started as that its become its own style. thats still an evolution. |
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| Jay M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ken_Allen
but a brain can do anything a computer can do, even more :D
What made computers? Brains |
Ken you really need some attention don't you. Now I, as a hobbyist producer, am not into all the music knowledge. I played an instrument once, i found it boring, so I quit. You play your trumpet every day and you don't find it boring, fine. Let's respect each others opinion.
Now you make music with your trumpet and brain. I make music with my computer and brain. I can assure you, my computer has more "brain" than your trumpet. At least my computer can simulate a small brain, try that with your trumpet.
I compose music with my computer and can make some nice amateur with it. Who knows who likes my music, but it's played in some clubs already. (hit me) You make music with your trumpet and you can produce single tones and some melodies, but you will certainly not entertain anybody on this forum with it, nor can you entertain anybody of the millions in clubs around the world every night, nor at all the raves around the world. With this I hope to reach your low level of having a discussion.
Now on topic: I'm into more scenes than trance, and I have to say that producing club or house or chillout stuff enjoys me as well as producing trance. But I was at Innercity last Saturday and the place where I got goosebumps was at Blank & Jones (and not at Deep Dish, but I liked them too :) ) cause there was this energy and those emotional tracks which made me go wild, and I was not the only one. Ok I was the only one not doing any drugs but I'm convinced that any type of trance still got it's followers. Now Blank & Jones are totally not bringing the new sounds IMO, but people still love it. And don't worry, if you're bored, there will be other things around, people will find new things to enjoy you.
Well I said enough, have a nice day now. |
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| Zanoma |
I've just read the very first post of this thread, and... my god! :eek: I just can't believe it. (On the trance producers outnumbering the listeners part.)
Seriously, as there are more and more people in the world listening to trance, there will also going to be more and more people who also want to join the trance production hype. :(
I love trance, and I have the same passion to produce trance music, that's why I create trance music. I create trance music out of my pure love for trance music, not because for money.
Reading this thread made me felt a bit ashamed. :( Actually, I like other music genres, too, like classical, piano, new age, ambient, drum 'n' bass, etc.. It's just that trance is so happens to be the easiest genre for me to procude.
Yeah, I can see that this has also starting to kill trance. I mean, too many cheesy amateurish tracks everywhere. And all of these artists are claiming that they're professional trance producers? :conf: My god... They produce music using a cheap software like eJay and all of a sudden they start imagining themselves as "professional" trance producers. Sheesh. :o |
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| Jay M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zanoma
It's just that trance is so happens to be the easiest genre for me to procude.
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Produce you mean.
I don't think you mean that. Have you ever tried to make chillout music, clubhouse, or happy hardcore? Trance needs more subtle stuff, every fx sound needs attention, it's harder than many genres IMO.
And to make a hit, well loads of people are dreaming about it, but it takes quite a musician to make one. And you know that I'm not talking eJay or Reason now. |
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| staticblue |
| i don't think any Ejay producer had the right tool to change the trance scene, so who cares if they consider themselves as professionnal producers, since anyway they won't have any kind of impact on the scene. |
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| Zanoma |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jay M
Produce you mean. |
Oops... Thanks for pointing out that spelling mistake.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jay M
I don't think you mean that. Have you ever tried to make chillout music, clubhouse, or happy hardcore? Trance needs more subtle stuff, every fx sound needs attention, it's harder than many genres IMO.
And to make a hit, well loads of people are dreaming about it, but it takes quite a musician to make one. And you know that I'm not talking eJay or Reason now. |
Hmm... I guess that you're right. Trance is indeed not the kind of stuff people can produce so easily. And I know that through years of experience myself. That's why so many people ended up failing at it. |
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| Jay M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zanoma
... That's why so many people ended up failing at it. |
Exactly.
I don't think there are that many one day flies, real quality comes from a solid group of producers and it's still hard to get in there. I think. |
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| dbl |
| as someone said... trance is damn easy to make... but it's hard to make it sound good.... and even harder to make something that doesn't sound like everything else |
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