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| Bren-F |
Trance is easy to produce when you are producing the same mundane set fillers that have no hook or emotion in them (sorry but thats what trance is - electronic music with emotion)
You get some producers churning out tracks that are well produced, but have no real hook or longevity factors about them at all. Just a basic dance track that happens to be in a minor key - Such as Mike aka Push - seriously what do poeple see in his mediocre productions ?
Thats why I'm a massive Solar Stone fan. They know how to add atmosphere, good melody & emotion to track and can appeal to multiple types of audiences - weather it be melodic tracks like 7 Cities or Solarcoaster - prog stuff like Greenlight & speak in sympathy - theur quality chillout & after hour mixes or the more commercial stuff like Jump the next train.
Quality :) |
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by dbl
as someone said... trance is damn easy to make... but it's hard to make it sound good.... and even harder to make something that doesn't sound like everything else |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bren-F
Trance is easy to produce when you are producing the same mundane set fillers that have no hook or emotion in them (sorry but thats what trance is - electronic music with emotion)
You get some producers churning out tracks that are well produced, but have no real hook or longevity factors about them at all. Just a basic dance track that happens to be in a minor key - Such as Mike aka Push - seriously what do poeple see in his mediocre productions ?
Thats why I'm a massive Solar Stone fan. They know how to add atmosphere, good melody & emotion to track and can appeal to multiple types of audiences - weather it be melodic tracks like 7 Cities or Solarcoaster - prog stuff like Greenlight & speak in sympathy - theur quality chillout & after hour mixes or the more commercial stuff like Jump the next train.
Quality :) |
omg.. u really pushed a wrong button there dude... what do people see in Mike aka Push`s productions? omg.. how can u say that.. there is no such trance filled with such emotions as there are in most of Push`s tracks.. i mean.. Solar Factor - Urban Shakedown, The Gift - Love Angel and Push vs Globe - Tranceformation only to name a few.. ur right to ur opinion of course.. but i must say i TOTALLY disagree on u there..
Solar Stone`s tracks are awesome.. they indeed adds emotions and atmosphere to their tracks.. especially Destination, 3rd Earth, Solarcoaster and not least there remix of Jan Johnson - Silent Words.. |
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| I_LUV_PVD |
| quote: | Originally posted by Luke Terry
so u can play an arpeg like in gouryella - ligaya, exactly in time, just as a midi signal would send?
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Um, I can.....In my head. Skill in *playing* is a bit different. Fact is, yeah, brains are pretty rad. I can make up some pretty crazy in my head. I'm sure we all hear sounds in our heads that computers can't make. And if I could figure out how to make all this infernal man-made gear and software and plastic and metal and code obey my whim and produce the same sounds that float through all the god-given nerves and blood and goo and junk in hy my head, then I would be the best damn producer on the planet. As human beings, we have the power to create. We have imagination. We have emotion. Access and Clavia do not manufacture these things, and I think Apple is at least 3 years away from having processors fast enough to handle these functions (kidding). Seriously, the way our minds can manipulate and creatively oranize, sculpt, and change ideas can not even be scratched by computers (well, maybe KEN'S mind...) |
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| TMD33 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bren-F
Trance is easy to produce when you are producing the same mundane set fillers that have no hook or emotion in them (sorry but thats what trance is - electronic music with emotion)
You get some producers churning out tracks that are well produced, but have no real hook or longevity factors about them at all. Just a basic dance track that happens to be in a minor key - Such as Mike aka Push - seriously what do poeple see in his mediocre productions ?
Thats why I'm a massive Solar Stone fan. They know how to add atmosphere, good melody & emotion to track and can appeal to multiple types of audiences - weather it be melodic tracks like 7 Cities or Solarcoaster - prog stuff like Greenlight & speak in sympathy - theur quality chillout & after hour mixes or the more commercial stuff like Jump the next train.
Quality :) |
dude, have you ever listened to twixt, or live another life? are you nuts!@!!!!? |
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| we_R_DNA |
The music is what you make of it, let it be a trance and induce your mind into a tranquil state of being. For creating a state of being is all up to you to create as well. Trance should not be easy to create tranquility out of choatic notes nor out of choatic basslines. There is an essence that makes the music have value. Even some of the not so great productions have their given value to some of the great productions. The closest quote I can give you is from Mark Twain . . .
Moralizing, I observed, then, that "all that glitters is not gold." Mr. Ballou said I could go further than that, and lay it up among my treasures of knowledge, that nothing that glitters is gold. So I learned then, once for all, that gold in its native state is but dull, unornamental stuff, and that only lowborn metals excite the admiration of the ignorant with an ostentatious glitter. However, like the rest of the world, I still go on underrating men of gold and glorifying men of mica. Commonplace human nature cannot rise above that.
- Roughing It
I think producing trance is all about capturing that Tranquil state of being:
1 a : free from agitation of mind or spirit
b : free from disturbance or turmoil
Think of what you produce as being the tranquil scene you are in while producing. A tranquil mind in production has no worries of a record label dead line or what others may think.
* Ratatosk has quit IRC (Quit: There is nothing pure or impure in this universe except that which is made impure by the mind, or except that which obstructs the flow of life force whose urge is to evolve and connect.)
Obviously more producers in the world can create and evolve music in general. Trance is more than a genera it is a state of being, and to capture it within the melodies of sound, there lay the potential to lift all the listeners all up off the ground. |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | You get some producers churning out tracks that are well produced, but have no real hook or longevity factors about them at all. Just a basic dance track that happens to be in a minor key - Such as Mike aka Push - seriously what do people see in his mediocre productions ?
Thats why I'm a massive Solar Stone fan. They know how to add atmosphere, good melody & emotion to track and can appeal to multiple types of audiences |
you have a point about there being alot of tracks out there that dont really inspire to be much more than dancefloor stompers but thats not necessarily a bad thing - its just specialisation of a sort. many of those tracks are good at what they set out to do.
about push. surely the emotional content and atmosphere of a track are dependant on the person listening to it, the frame of mind of the person listening to it and the place to a greater or lesser extent? it doesnt all come from the music for sure. its mostly subjective whether a song has emotion. i first heard push's own 2003 remix universal nation on a boat party event that was mindblowing and the atmosphere in that song and at that precise moment in time was electric. the air was vibrating and it felt staticy. also because of the scenario i heard it ive developed a kind of attachment to that song and it has alot of personal significance to me and a hella lot of other people that heard it in similar circumstances. sunrise at palamos is just lush. same again. caught me at a very good time.
no way is his work mediocre though. absolutely no way. |
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| Bren-F |
I've heard quite a bit of Push stuff, and I have to say that I still don't see what the big deal with him is.
Not trying to offend people here - but thats just my honest opinion :D |
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| TMD33 |
and that's perfectly fine bren-f, i just can't imagine!. i've listened to your new track and i like it. just to let you know. :D
but i'll tell everyone what the problem is what trance production right now.
It's that most people arn't classicaly trained in music and technique. in the early years, (before all these forums)98-99 guys like ferry had to LEARN either by trial and error, someone better than them taught them, or creatively (meaning, alone) trying to mimic other trance. They're able to do NEW stuff because they learned technique, not by staring at stupid F-ing midi files. People today, including myself.. can just come here and look for a bassline. AND THAT'S WRONG. instead of just GIVING someone a bassline.. teach them a technique, so that in the future they're more likely to develop one from their own creative mind. everything sounds the same cause everyones reading the same dam tutorials!!;) |
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