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more trance producers than listeners ? Airbase quits... (pg. 6)
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| Luke Terry |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
oh really :rolleyes:
of course, u can create real descent sound using software, yes I know that.. and get track released.. but those tracks doesnt have the soul and raw sound like the old trance hadd.. u cant create as fat sound with software as u do with hardware, that is just a simple fact... sometimes u do get this "same" sound.. but its mostly generic.. and u barely can develop any new sounds.. u WILL NEVER be able to make the sound that Push have for example.. its physically impossible using software.. and those fat FX sounds.. often used in progressive tracks.. |
not true, but i can't be arsed to get into the soft/hardware debate.
with software, the amount of oscillators/instances you can add is only limited by your computer, hardware is the limited by the hardware. having a good sound, and a phat sound are 2 entirely different things ;)
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| DickieThijssen |
| As long as tiesto, ferry, pvd and armin stay in the trance scene, i dont mind, they are the people who keep the scene alive... Imagine a world where those guys weren't born, trance would not excist... At some point we started loving the music because one of these guys showed up. |
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| dbl |
| quote: | Originally posted by DickieThijssen
As long as tiesto, ferry, pvd and armin stay in the trance scene, i dont mind, they are the people who keep the scene alive... Imagine a world where those guys weren't born, trance would not excist... At some point we started loving the music because one of these guys showed up. |
or maybe it would have been hell of alot better.. who know's... |
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| dkode |
| quote: | Originally posted by dbl
or maybe it would have been hell of alot better.. who know's... |
deeeeeeeeeeeep
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| DJ Chrono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
u cant create as fat sound with software as u do with hardware, that is just a simple fact... sometimes u do get this "same" sound.. but its mostly generic.. and u barely can develop any new sounds.. u WILL NEVER be able to make the sound that Push have for example.. its physically impossible using software.. and those fat FX sounds.. often used in progressive tracks.. |
You do realize that most hardware synths that are around now are virtual analog, and don't use electric pulses to form sounds like they used to? Essentially, a virtual analog hardware synth IS a computer, just in a nice box with knobs on it. They run operating systems and form sounds using 1s and 0s just like your home computer would.
Of course the true analog synths (like the minimoog) will sound different, it's like comparing vinyl to digital audio. The analog source will ALWAYS sound slightly different because of the simple fact that it isnt limited to the digital 'spectrum' if you will.
One thing that computers have alittle trouble representing with software is tube amplification/distortion. The even-ordered harmonics of real vacuum tubes sound great, and computers can't match it (usually emphasizing the odd-ordered harmonics, which doesn't sound as good). Some hardware synths do have tubes in them and of course this will make them sound different than software, but I don't think it's very common (I know the korg electribe mx uses them). |
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ
mostly i blame reason for the genric sound. and your right lots of people go straight fopr presets.... only vsti i do that with are fm one because prgramming a fm synth is probly the hardest thing ive ever tried to do. i find they are rather diffcult to get god sounds outta them rather then just random noise. but i still dont use just the preset i still tweak the outta it |
:D :D this made me smile.
If you knew Reason better, you would know presets suck ass!! and you can't make even a bad trance track out of them, because they are beyond bad.
But meh Reason haters will always be like you :rolleyes:.
| quote: | Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ
but i still dont use just the preset i still tweak the outta it |
oo with subtractor i start from scratch, i guess your more generic than me..ha! |
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| dbl |
| quote: | Originally posted by dkode
deeeeeeeeeeeep
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not deep at all.. but what is it that says that everything would have been ed up if we wouldn't have had tiesto, AvB, PvD, ferry???? |
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| Luke Terry |
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
:D :D this made me smile.
If you knew Reason better, you would know presets suck ass!! and you can't make even a bad trance track out of them, because they are beyond bad.
But meh Reason haters will always be like you :rolleyes:.
oo with subtractor i start from scratch, i guess your more generic than me..ha! |
he only uses presets with FM synths, not subtractive ones ;)
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Luke Terry
he only uses presets with FM synths, not subtractive ones ;)
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but everyone does, so he is generic.
I must say back in the days when i was exploring, i used allot of presets with VST. There is no way i knew how to make a synth with albino or Pro53.
Subtractor is easy and good IMO, but calling it generic is just bull.
ANd am saying this because i don't consider my productions generic at all and i use Reason. (well maybe not all of them :p). |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| factory presets might suck but simple searching google for refils or even p2p programs you will find refils that are 100% what youd hear on asot so off reason is .... and i will allways blame reason for the tie sound i now hear in trance. the lacking basslines tie formed sounds that anyone can make. lack of intelgent and complex effects. program a fm synth and let me hear what you come up with programming fm synths is ing hard considering the way you must go about it unless you want just randomness. and note i said i dont just click preset-> superuberSaw and tweak the cutoff and reso and go omg look at me im making that i hear armin spin every week on his cheeze of trance show. |
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| Derivative |
programming FM synths isnt hard. its just different if you are used to subtractive synths. the reason being that in FM synthesis 1 of the oscillators controls the frequency of 1 or more of the others. this is just like how the filter and the filter envelope work together if you can visualize it.
in FM synthesis you just have to think more about what you are doing on the oscillator because the signal generated on 1 effects the signal on the other.
because im not used to it, i sometimes find it confusing and unpredictable. even still, some subtractive synths are more complex than others because some of their parts have more modulation options.
the first 2 weeks of playing with my virus b, 90% of the patches i made turned into sub bass sludge. if you just fiddle around on synths that offer lots of modulation options you will find yourself changing a parameter which relies on the action of something else, or which modulates something else or which changes the effect of another pot. i hear the andromeda is even more complex because its practically entirely modular. |
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| krivi |
| i can't talk about trance popularity,because i can't see the real situation from poent of view of my country and just can't imagine that somewhere trance have so big popularity.PVD,Armin,Tiesto are best DJs on the world? yes i listen to them but i don't know one more person who loves trance.here,when you say trance it's psychodelic trance.i hate that music and can't say:I listen to trance.House music is mainstream in my country,but nobody know for real trance,except some cheesy stuff from TV...how can so inteligent music be listened by masses? i just can't figure out?is it real popular out there or it's just your fear or something? and sorry for bad english |
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