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My evolution theory involving fa...*ahem* i mean homosexuality (pg. 34)
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by denys envy
would that be a ... cockslap? |
It's called a turkey slap, actually. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh rising
yeah, sorry, but that theory blows.
i'm from the south, i'm conservative, growing up i spent a LOT of time around other males. went to nascar races, my family owned the biggest nascar store in central florida. i certainly had a load of male figures in my life, and in a part of the country also where being gay is definitely looked down upon as a whole. and guess what happened? your theory might apply to a couple cases here and there for certain reasons, but it's not even a deciding factor for those. it's gotta be genetic. |
Yea, well, I never said, "This is the reason people are gay." It's just one factor of many possible ones. |
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| denys envy |
| quote: | Originally posted by glass
This is getting hot, I'll get the body chocolate. |
and i just cleaned off the plastic sheets from the last time! |
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| Xan_2v2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Yea, well, I never said, "This is the reason people are gay." It's just one factor of many possible ones. |
posted this b4 but it seems to need to be noticed, it also pretty much says no to the male rolemodel theory
first 2 paragraphs are all about the oldschool theorys but then it gets onto some proper science
http://www.psychologytoday.com/arti...-000003&print=1
summary: genes that might make on offspring gay will also make the hetro offspring more succesful reproducing. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Homosexuality is wrong purely on an evolutionary standpoint. |
I think you're jumping the gun here. Wrong would suggest that homosexuality is a mistake made by nature, which I believe is a position born of an incomplete understanding of evolutionary theory. There could be many good reasons why it would be to a species' advantage to have homosexuals; most notably is that homosexuality reduces the chances that an individual will reproduce. See, if one has a genetic defect that could be hereditary then that individual having a reduced chance of procreating is actually an evolutionary advantage to the species. Now, this of course presupposes that homosexuality is in fact genetic (there is some evidence that it is in approximately 50% of homosexual men, 0% of women). Unfortunately for evolution we humans kind of flipped the bitch on it quite some time ago. |
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| denys envy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Unfortunately for evolution we humans kind of flipped the bitch on it quite some time ago. |
i think that's the key, human beings hardly follow evolutionary tragectories anymore, with the technological/medical advances and whatnot.
i wonder how widespread homosexuality is in the animal kingdom... |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by denys envy
i wonder how widespread homosexuality is in the animal kingdom... |
Excellent question. I know that dolphins and chimpanzees engage in homosexual activity fairly regularly; however, I'm not sure about any other animals and I'm not sure if those that engage in homosexual activities in those two species do it exclusive of heterosexual activities. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Having exclusive homosexuals within a tightly-knit group means having people around who can protect the other members of the group because they are not busy taking care of their own kids. This has obvious advantages. Of course, this idea does not wash in a view of evolution centered solely on the "selfish gene," but that view is too narrow and not held by all biologists anyway. |
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| denys envy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Excellent question. I know that dolphins and chimpanzees engage in homosexual activity fairly regularly; however, I'm not sure about any other animals and I'm not sure if those that engage in homosexual activities in those two species do it exclusive of heterosexual activities. |
now i remember hearing that the two other species, besides humans, that engage in sex for pleasure (outside of reproductive purposes) are dolphins and monkeys. if so, i wonder if homosexuality is unrelated to genetics (because then shouldn't every mammal have this "defect") and is simply an impulsive choice.
kinda like "you're gay because you choose to be." |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by denys envy
now i remember hearing that the two other species, besides humans, that engage in sex for pleasure (outside of reproductive purposes) are dolphins and monkeys. |
This is the kind of bland generalization that pops up in sociobiology. How could you possibly determine whether an animal having sex is doing it "for pleasure" or "for reproduction?" Can you get inside the thing's head and check its motivations? -- if it even has "motivations" in anything like the sense that humans do... |
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| denys envy |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This is the kind of bland generalization that pops up in sociobiology. How could you possibly determine whether an animal having sex is doing it "for pleasure" or "for reproduction?" Can you get inside the thing's head and check its motivations? -- if it even has "motivations" in anything like the sense that humans do... |
yeah i wondered the same damn thing myself when i heard it.
regardless, it's only a theory. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I doubt that most animals are even conscious of the causal chain of reproduction anyway: "If I this female, she'll have my kids in a few months." That's quite a delay to consider, and one that probably outlasts the memory span of quite a few mammals. |
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