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Someone must chop Superman-Coulthard
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| The_G0dfather |
| quote: | Originally posted by fcuk ®
That is no way to speak to the king |
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| sakabatou |
I like how all you just assume he's cheating!!!
If it was characteristic of him to throw fits, like Hakkinen, Montoya and raikkonen have then I'd be persuaded to see him as a cheater, but he isn't.
He isn't one to do things like that, and I totally disagree with the decision to strip him of his pole. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sakabatou
I like how all you just assume he's cheating!!!
If it was characteristic of him to throw fits, like Hakkinen, Montoya and raikkonen have then I'd be persuaded to see him as a cheater, but he isn't.
He isn't one to do things like that, and I totally disagree with the decision to strip him of his pole. |
What the hell are you talking about? Schumacher has a long record of trying dirty manouevres for over 10 years, with some of them having decided championships. What have Hakkinen, Montoya and Raikkonen done, please enlighten me as the only thing I remember is Montoya doing some crazy overtakings on Schumacher.
Many drivers and ex-drivers have come out and said the track blocking was intentional in their opinion, and the stewards came to the same conclusion after looking at the telemetry where it was stated he braked way harder than in other laps for no reason at all. How can you say it's not cheating?
Talking about the race, I like how Monaco looks like a better overtaking circuit than Imola now :stongue: Disappointed at Webber, Raikkonen and Trulli all retiring due to bad luck, that was anticlimatic. Nice comeback by Schumacher winning 17 positions in a Monaco race(!), but the championship looks won by Alonso already. |
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| mellow_head |
| It's funny how there are so many Schumi-fans and it's remarkable they don't understand the sport :stongue: |
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| Cloud |
Great race by Christijan Albers.
And Schumi managed to reach Barrichello with lap times under 1:16:00 :eyespop: at the last laps.
really sad for Webber and Trulli. :( |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cloud
Great race by Christijan Albers. |
I guess you didn't see the start. I want to read what the team is going to say about that, what a clown.  |
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| Cloud |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
I guess you didn't see the start. I want to read what the team is going to say about that, what a clown. |
yeah i saw that. But after his pit stop his lap times were as good as Barrichelo's (!) and he reached the cars ahead of him in 10 laps. (!) |
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| TOR |
I'm not a Ferrari fanboy, never have been, but I have to agree with sabakatou. That was a very harsh and unfair decision by the stewards. Just look back to the incident from the cockpit angle. Michael didn't do anything wrong at all, there was simply no room to take his car elsewhere. The lead-up to his spin even was a mistake, he turned in too early into the Rascasse corner, causing the car to understeer. I refuse to believe that he deliberately decided to block the road in the half second that followed the understeer situation. He just didn't know where to go with the car. He would have hit the barrier trying to complete the corner, so which other option did he have? Blocking the apex was inevitable and unavoidable.
As for the race itself, I thought it was brilliant, except of course for the Kimi and Mark retirements. :( Alonso seems to have the championship in the bag already. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cloud
yeah i saw that. But after his pit stop his lap times were as good as Barrichelo's (!) and he reached the cars ahead of him in 10 laps. (!) |
fastest race laps:
1 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 74 15:42:29 160.014 1:15.143
2 3 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 19 14:27:25 159.628 1:15.325
3 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 11 14:17:12 158.898 1:15.671
4 9 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 23 14:32:32 158.879 1:15.680
5 2 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 58 15:22:12 158.379 1:15.919
6 4 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 20 14:28:48 158.193 1:16.008
7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 40 14:56:39 156.946 1:16.612
8 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 30 14:42:27 155.791 1:17.180
9 10 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 43 15:00:16 155.696 1:17.227
10 12 Jenson Button Honda 59 15:23:59 155.549 1:17.300
11 16 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 72 15:40:57 155.511 1:17.319
12 11 Rubens Barrichello Honda 67 15:33:23 155.509 1:17.320
13 18 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 71 15:40:49 155.491 1:17.329
14 21 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 77 15:47:55 155.186 1:17.481
15 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 72 15:40:58 155.068 1:17.540
16 19 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 77 15:47:53 154.942 1:17.603
17 20 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 75 15:44:54 154.828 1:17.660
18 17 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 74 15:44:01 154.615 1:17.767
19 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 45 15:02:50 154.452 1:17.849
20 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 19 14:28:13 154.292 1:17.930
21 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 39 14:55:31 152.602 1:18.793
22 23 Franck Montagny Super Aguri-Honda 72 15:42:57 152.002 1:19.104
Now, he doesn't look that good, does he?
Midland just happened to be decent here. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TOR
I'm not a Ferrari fanboy, never have been, but I have to agree with sabakatou. That was a very harsh and unfair decision by the stewards. Just look back to the incident from the cockpit angle. Michael didn't do anything wrong at all, there was simply no room to take his car elsewhere. The lead-up to his spin even was a mistake, he turned in too early into the Rascasse corner, causing the car to understeer. I refuse to believe that he deliberately decided to block the road in the half second that followed the understeer situation. He just didn't know where to go with the car. He would have hit the barrier trying to complete the corner, so which other option did he have? Blocking the apex was inevitable and unavoidable. |
The stewards took the conclusion from the telemetry that he breaked much harder than usual for the corner without finding any reason. Maybe he was deliberately trying to spin already entering the corner, then when it didn't work out he makes that incomprehensible 2nd correction when the car isn't locked up anymore. Or yes he did decide to block the road in a half-second, have you forgotten he has several times decided to cause accidents in a impulse?
Either way, the FIA have lately been very harsh, remember the Fisi-JV incident at Nurburgring? JV was taken off his 3 fastest laps even if the stewards stated there was no way to say if it was deliberate. Stopping on the circuit to get pole is a worse offence, the driver has a record of previous offences, and the stewards came to the conclusion that it was deliberate. I think it was the right decision. |
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| Cloud |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
fastest race laps:
1 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 74 15:42:29 160.014 1:15.143
2 3 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 19 14:27:25 159.628 1:15.325
3 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 11 14:17:12 158.898 1:15.671
4 9 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 23 14:32:32 158.879 1:15.680
5 2 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 58 15:22:12 158.379 1:15.919
6 4 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 20 14:28:48 158.193 1:16.008
7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 40 14:56:39 156.946 1:16.612
8 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 30 14:42:27 155.791 1:17.180
9 10 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 43 15:00:16 155.696 1:17.227
10 12 Jenson Button Honda 59 15:23:59 155.549 1:17.300
11 16 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 72 15:40:57 155.511 1:17.319
12 11 Rubens Barrichello Honda 67 15:33:23 155.509 1:17.320
13 18 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 71 15:40:49 155.491 1:17.329
14 21 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 77 15:47:55 155.186 1:17.481
15 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 72 15:40:58 155.068 1:17.540
16 19 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 77 15:47:53 154.942 1:17.603
17 20 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 75 15:44:54 154.828 1:17.660
18 17 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 74 15:44:01 154.615 1:17.767
19 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 45 15:02:50 154.452 1:17.849
20 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 19 14:28:13 154.292 1:17.930
21 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 39 14:55:31 152.602 1:18.793
22 23 Franck Montagny Super Aguri-Honda 72 15:42:57 152.002 1:19.104
Now, he doesn't look that good, does he?
Midland just happened to be decent here. |
Read my post again |
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