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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I think that a lot of the left-right Dem-Repub politics debates are as highly annoying as some of you see this debate.
But I don't go into those kinds of threads and say, "Omigawd, this is so pointless, talk about something more interesting to me!" Why waste the keystrokes? |
There are threads about those?
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I just assumed people were getting frustrated because it seems like we've got the daily "Atheist Soapbox" vibe going on in c0r lately, and you're all every bit as irritating as the Campus Crusaders who try to get me to come to mass every day.
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Well thats an easy way to discount the last 2,000 years of science and discovery. |
If you had half a clue what you were talking about or understood what "Epistemology" means, you wouldn't make such foolish statements. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
I just figured that intelligent people would have actually progressed somewhere by now. ;) |
Since you're just so great at figuring things out - exactly where were we supposed to progress to? A state of agreement?
I think that the philosophy of debate has died here, not the debate, itself.
If 'change' or 'development' is what you mean by progression, then I assure you, I've done plenty of that over the last 3,5 years. Change is a very subtle thing in people, Miss Pie. I wouldn't expect a verifiable heathen such as yourself to understand! |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
And Clovis - you're changing the subject, bringing politics into this, but to answer your question, no - I don't think there is a right and wrong in this debate, and believe even if there was we'll never know what it is.
As far as your inclusion of Bush nonsense - what was the relevance of it to this thread? You think somehow my position supports his blatant disregard for the separation between church and state?
Please. |
You asked why people feel threatened by belief systems different than their own. That was an easy answer. Yes politics are involved, but why? Because theres a Christian armada pouring millions of dollars into any politician who will endorse and further their agenda.
The truth is, this is much to wide a debate to discuss on an internet forum, so all you get is half-truths, quick bursts of "evidence" and "proof", passionate but brief diatribes of dissent, and never really anything substantial, and to that end I agree with your overall message here. Its not like were ever gonna get anywhere here, we havn't in the past 8 billion threads on this very same subject that have come up over and over again. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
If you guys want to keep on calling yourselves intelligent |
@.o
Who here has ever referred to themselves as 'intelligent' on these boards? I call bull on this.
Besides, if anyone here had the audacity to do so, they would be ripped to shreds, no doubt about it. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
If you had half a clue what you were talking about or understood what "Epistemology" means, you wouldn't make such foolish statements. |
I know what epistemology means. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Its not like were ever gonna get anywhere here, we havn't in the past 8 billion threads on this very same subject |
Or the last 5,000 years, one could argue.
I do, however, disagree with some of you. Debating, even informally, is a stretching of ideas. Obviously, if you are of mind to merely persuade people all of the time, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. I read often, and of various subjects that interest me - this is a step beyond reading. It's like interacting with a book, sort of. Ok, that was gay. :stongue: But even if you can predict responses to a certain degree, extracting knowledge from debate is like the scientific process. Your position is your constant, and you see people's reaction to it as a sort of data response. If things suddenly change, you know that perhaps it is time to re-think your theory. Everything should be tested to the point of second-guessing, even if it becomes painstakingly tautological at times. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Since you're just so great at figuring things out - exactly where were we supposed to progress to? A state of agreement? |
How about a state where the people who preach open-mindedness and understadning to other people's beliefs, and tolerance to changing perspectives, actually practice it?
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Change is a very subtle thing in people, Miss Pie. I wouldn't expect a verifiable heathen such as yourself to understand! |
Oh off. :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
@.o
Who here has ever referred to themselves as 'intelligent' on these boards? I call bull on this.
Besides, if anyone here had the audacity to do so, they would be ripped to shreds, no doubt about it. |
Ahem. I think you insinuated quite nicely right here:
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
TA is one of the only places I can do so with somewhat intelligent people and in a [pseudo]civilised manner. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| For my part on this whole debate... I try to explain rather then convince. My goal it to further insight into the Christian position, since it seems that many here argue these questions based on what they think Christians believe rather then what they actually believe (this is equally true of thiests arguing against the athiests). This, ultimately, is the problem with these discussions... very few of us take the time to fully explore and understand the others positions... rather then listening most of the participants are just waiting for their turn to talk. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
The truth is, this is much to wide a debate to discuss on an internet forum, so all you get is half-truths, quick bursts of "evidence" and "proof", passionate but brief diatribes of dissent, and never really anything substantial, and to that end I agree with your overall message here. Its not like were ever gonna get anywhere here, we havn't in the past 8 billion threads on this very same subject that have come up over and over again. |
Exactly.
It seems like the anti-anti-religion crowd here has the idea that the atheists think we're accomplishing something profound by bantering about this stuff on TA, or that we think these debates are an amazing display of our intelligence. I certainly don't think that, and I doubt that anybody else does, either. Whatever impressions anyone might have, I don't do this to "convert" anyone, although I guess I wouldn't mind if that happened. I just have opinions, and I enjoy clashing with people who have different ones. I enjoy debating certain topics, and that's pretty much it.
Okey doke? :clown: |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
How about a state where the people who preach open-mindedness and understadning to other people's beliefs, and tolerance to changing perspectives, actually practice it? |
The open mind is often drafty, no?
| quote: | | Ahem. I think you insinuated quite nicely right here: |
Yeah, but I didn't refer to myself as intelligent. And I even referred to nameless others as "somewhat" intelligent. We're all pretty much amateurs here, but funnily enough cannot come to any more developed conclusions than those who spend their entire lives studying the subject, whatever it might be. :p
Pie, I think you just don't understand males. It's the process of beating your head against a brick wall, not the bloody, wet chunks that remain on it afterwards! |
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