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Germany Bans Scientology (pg. 9)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Assuming the gist of Xtianity isn't to instill fear, then it is certainly to instill a sense of doubt and guilt as well as dependency upon some hyperplanar Omnipotence.
Jesus supposedley died to 'save' us. Just what do we need salvation from? Have we, as a species, done something terribly wrong to offend our creator? Cite as many biblical examples as you like. It would appear as though the Christian God is as easily offended as Josh4. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Edit: But just for the sake of answering your question - yes, I believe that statement is universally offensive enough for it to slide. :stongue:  |
haha, good man! :D |
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| tubularbills |
you guys are getting off topic again!
we're talking about ZE GERMANS!
lol:stongue: :stongue: |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
you guys are getting off topic again!
we're talking about ZE GERMANS!
lol:stongue: :stongue: |
Gesundheit! |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Gesundheit! |
dankeschoen.
bist du scientolgie?
ja?
du musst verboten werden!!!:whip: |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
dankeschoen.
bist du scientolgie?
ja?
du musst verboten werden!!!:whip: |
Nein, ich bin eine lolkatze!
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Nein, ich bin eine lolkatze!
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HAHAHAHHA:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
das bringt mir zu lachen:haha: :haha: |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Jesus supposedley died to 'save' us. Just what do we need salvation from? Have we, as a species, done something terribly wrong to offend our creator? Cite as many biblical examples as you like. It would appear as though the Christian God is as easily offended as Josh4. |
You illustrate a lack of understanding of the faith here...
Christians believe that while Jesus was man he was more than man, he was God living as a human. God became human in order to live a human life, to experience being human first hand. This experience of God living, loving, suffering, and dieing as a human is what saves humanity. Having experienced the draw of sin first hand Jesus forgives us for submitting to it, in fact, he removes the absolute punsishent of sin by guarenteeing forgiveness to all those who seek it. Alternatively, some believe that there was never any punishment for sin other then that which we imposed upon ourselves, in order to relieve that self-imposed burden God punished himself through suffering on our behalf. He also removes all prior laws and commandments by replacing them with one law... "love each other as I have loved you." To Christians; God living and dieing as a human is an experience that changes God from the vengeful God of the Old Testament to the forgiving God of the New or at very least was God correcting the misinterpretation of his earlier revalations made over the years by religious leaders by delivering his revalation first hand to all who would listen. To answer your question... one can look at salvation two ways... it either is God saving us from his prior intolerance or God revealing to us that he was never a vengful god, salvation always existed, thus he is saving us from our misinterpretations of his word and the punishment we were imposing on ourselves and each other. |
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| Cipha Sounds |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
You illustrate a lack of understanding of the faith here...
Christians believe that while Jesus was man he was more than man, he was God living as a human. God became human in order to live a human life, to experience being human first hand. This experience of God living, loving, suffering, and dieing as a human is what saves humanity. Having experienced the draw of sin first hand Jesus forgives us for submitting to it, in fact, he removes the absolute punsishent of sin by guarenteeing forgiveness to all those who seek it. Alternatively, some believe that there was never any punishment for sin other then that which we imposed upon ourselves, in order to relieve that self-imposed burden God punished himself through suffering on our behalf. He also removes all prior laws and commandments by replacing them with one law... "love each other as I have loved you." To Christians; God living and dieing as a human is an experience that changes God from the vengeful God of the Old Testament to the forgiving God of the New or at very least was God correcting the misinterpretation of his earlier revalations made over the years by religious leaders by delivering his revalation first hand to all who would listen. To answer your question... one can look at salvation two ways... it either is God saving us from his prior intolerance or God revealing to us that he was never a vengful god, salvation always existed, thus he is saving us from our misinterpretations of his word and the punishment we were imposing on ourselves and each other. |
Bravo, that was very well put. What the majority of the Christians and atheist don't understand is that the so called Christians and religious leaders who have killed and started wars throughout the centuries did it for their own personal pleasure and greed. How can atheists say they did it for the sake of Christianity, Christ taught nothing but peace and love for the fellow man , so how the can you say they did it for Christianity. They were obviously misguided morons who thought that war was the solution to all their problems. Stop blaming the religion, and start looking at the bigger picture.
The Bible warned of the many false teachers of the faith and the sheep that shall follow. True Christians do not believe in violence and would not cause harm to their fellow man. For the atheists who strictly believe in the Evolutionary theory and not in a higher being or plane of existence. Then let's just say the ever evolving humans are not so evolved since they've let a simple thing like the color of someone's skin stop them from achieving world peace, I guess the majority of humans have not evolved enough to escape their animal like instincts since we obviously evolved from apes according to the big bang theory. I'm tired of hearing every blame put on religion, right off with that bull when the real problem is the human psyche and insecurities. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Religion isn't always a problem, but often it provides people a convenient excuse to give up thinking in favor of irrationality and emotionalism, since many varieties of it teach that when faith and reason conflict, faith must take precedence.
Basically, lots of kinds of religion encourage bad habits of thought: adopting conclusions and only then looking for evidence to support them, claiming certainty even when there is no ground for it, encouraging magical thinking, raising up needless and sometimes harmful taboos and prohibitions about sex and the human body, teaching that people can be immoral or worthy of punishment simply for believing differently, and erosion of the distinction between public and private realms, among other things.
Not all religions do these things, but I'd be willing to bet that most of them have, historically. The evangelical religions tend to be most guilty of them. |
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| Salegon |
Rofl! Listening to non-German people trying to talk German is a fun thing :haha:
LOlkatze ;)
Man versteht euch trotzdem wunderbar, Jungs. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Religion isn't always a problem, but often it provides people a convenient excuse to give up thinking in favor of irrationality and emotionalism, since many varieties of it teach that when faith and reason conflict, faith must take precedence.
Basically, lots of kinds of religion encourage bad habits of thought: adopting conclusions and only then looking for evidence to support them, claiming certainty even when there is no ground for it, encouraging magical thinking, raising up needless and sometimes harmful taboos and prohibitions about sex and the human body, teaching that people can be immoral or worthy of punishment simply for believing differently, and erosion of the distinction between public and private realms, among other things.
Not all religions do these things, but I'd be willing to bet that most of them have, historically. The evangelical religions tend to be most guilty of them. |
The faults you list are the faults of men not of belief. These are results of people using faith to manipulate for their own purpose, which is the failing of the individual not the religion. Any system of belief; be it religion, political ideology, philosophy, scientific theories, is vulnerable to these same manipulations. |
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