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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Whoa... I'm not the greatest fan of much of what the Vatican does but tearing families apart... I don't see how you could rationally argue that. |
Telling Africans not to use condoms? |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spike
no buddy, i believe u are. and YES they do thrive |
The only hole I'm digging is that I support freedom of belief and expression over censorship and oppression. You can't have it both ways. |
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| Spike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
The only hole I'm digging is that I support freedom of belief and expression over censorship and oppression. You can't have it both ways. |
i also support freedom of belief and expression, but you see nothing wrong with outlawing or oppressing cults/criminals? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Telling Africans not to use condoms? |
I presume your argument is that the Vatican is destroying African families by encouraging the spread of AIDS. They are also telling them not to have pre-marital or extra-marital sex. Perhaps if people adheared to both of these rather then just the easier one then the problem wouldn't be so large. Ironic how you find an idict meant to foster and enrich the family to be one intent on destroying the family. It isn't the Vatican's directive that is the negative influence here. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spike
and YES they do thrive |
Did you see that on TV or have you actually spent time living in this country, or research enough about religious cults to know what you're talking about? |
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| Spike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I presume your argument is that the Vatican is destroying African families by encouraging the spread of AIDS. They are also telling them not to have pre-marital or extra-marital sex. Perhaps if people adheared to both of these rather then just the easier one then the problem wouldn't be so large. Ironic how you find an idict meant to foster and enrich the family to be one intent on destroying the family. It isn't the Vatican's directive that is the negative influence here. |
well said, well said |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| The trouble is that the Vatican refuses to acknowledge the reality, one that holds across all cultures that have any degree of freedom for women and privacy for non-married couples, that people will have sex before marriage and around while they're married. Saying that the spread of AIDS is really caused by a failure of people to change their own lecherous natures, not the Vatican's simple-minded edicts against birth control, is nothing more than a cop out. |
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| Spike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Did you see that on TV or have you actually spent time living in this country, or research enough about religious cults to know what you're talking about? |
yes i've done my research, i believe you should do the same |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I presume your argument is that the Vatican is destroying African families by encouraging the spread of AIDS. They are also telling them not to have pre-marital or extra-marital sex. Perhaps if people adheared to both of these rather then just the easier one then the problem wouldn't be so large. Ironic how you find an idict meant to foster and enrich the family to be one intent on destroying the family. It isn't the Vatican's directive that is the negative influence here. |
I don't necessarily think they are destroying families, I mean, even if by some stretch it were true it would be almost impossible to measure or prove. I'm just saying that it could probably be argued by anyone intent on digging up some type of examples or cases in which the church's directives or decisions contributed negatively. Also, I think the abstinence argument is really not worth pursuing there, not that condoms are much more attractive, but at least they allow for some kind of sexual interaction...I think telling people not to use proven birth control and disease prevention methods is indeed a negative influence. Obviously if people were not having sex in the first place it wouldn't be an issue of whether or not condoms are "ok". The vatican seems to think condoms promote pre/extra-marital sex and promiscuity, but it's clear that in Africa this is the case regardless of whether or not birth control is available, so IMO it's stupid to push against something thet could help a lot in the face of that kind of epidemic... |
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| smakmagik |
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| Spike |
sure point 02 % sound like much but not when u consider the population is over 300 000 000 |
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