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Germany Bans Scientology (pg. 7)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
FLDS is different. they get in the news because of the controversial they say and they had that high profile court case. i mean they protest veteran war hero funerals.. how would that NOT get you in the news? |
That would be the Westboro Baptist Church.
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the organization known for polygamy and rape charges. |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
That would be the Westboro Baptist Church.
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the organization known for polygamy and rape charges. |
oh yea. well they still had that court case. so hard to keep track of all these nut job churches |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
That would be the Westboro Baptist Church.
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the organization known for polygamy and rape charges. |
yeah, those westboro people really piss me off more than any other relgiion/cult/gathering/whatever.
i was going to say that at least they don't "go out and get people" in the sense that scientology offers the "are you unhappy, give me $179 and we'll see if you are truly unhappy" deal.
i mean, you never hear about the WB church "recruiting" people. mainly cause i think its all southern (sorry, folks) backwards country folk. whereas scientology seems to be worldwide (evidently, if germany is trying to ban it).
but then again, you see them on the news, and you see those signs, and you KNOW who it is. its not like they really even NEED to advertise, as it's all free publicity anyways.
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Scientology is hardly about instilling fear into people though. Perhaps its intentions are what do not sit well with most. It's not a sort of subscription service - of course the church needs funds to function in society - and I'm not even commenting on whether it abuses this opportunity at this point - it's just that when you convince people that all they need in life is the church and their own sense of self-perfection, there's really no need for personal possessions, now is there?
To heal oneselfby means of a truth that is greater than anyone - this is the appeal. Leave fear and guilt to Christianity; it has an extensive history of such and seems to have exerted its influence into programming people to think that is exactly what every religion is about. Scientology offers people an opportunity to know the nature of their true selves much better. Does it actually follow up to this promise though? if I know. But it's not difficult to see why many would be attracted to such a concept. |
there are actually lots of accounts of Scientology instilling fear in their members if they dont purchase the "training" materials and pay their membership dues. and then the dues are all based on your income. i saw a thing on dateline a few years back about scientology. john stossel was the one doing the piece that time also. he had about 15 or so people who had similar accounts. they also showed proof that the "church" puts poeple into financial oblivion if they find that you no longer fit in. ill see if i can find the ep. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
there are actually lots of accounts of Scientology instilling fear in their members if they dont purchase the "training" materials and pay their membership dues. and then the dues are all based on your income. i saw a thing on dateline a few years back about scientology. john stossel was the one doing the piece that time also. he had about 15 or so people who had similar accounts. they also showed proof that the "church" puts poeple into financial oblivion if they find that you no longer fit in. ill see if i can find the ep. |
i remember seeing that episode as well, actually....but then again i've seen a few of them |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
i remember seeing that episode as well, actually....but then again i've seen a few of them |
that ep specifically, which i saw AFTER learning their structure, a basic explanation of the way the organization works, the dues dependent on annual salary, etc. so i was aware of some stuff and then after watching that i was really shocked. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
there are actually lots of accounts of Scientology instilling fear in their members if they dont purchase the "training" materials and pay their membership dues. and then the dues are all based on your income. i saw a thing on dateline a few years back about scientology. john stossel was the one doing the piece that time also. he had about 15 or so people who had similar accounts. they also showed proof that the "church" puts poeple into financial oblivion if they find that you no longer fit in. ill see if i can find the ep. |
The doctrine, itself, is not designed to instill fear though.
That is the difference.
As I said, I'm not even commenting on whether Scientology's leaders or members abuse their power or position. The ideology, itself, differs from Christianity in that it does not teach the same brand of judgment and guilt that people are so accustomed (governed?) to. In Scientology, you aren't to fear and respect a divine presence at all times in hopes to save your soul. Except maybe Xenu. Plenty to fear from that guy. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
The doctrine, itself, is not designed to instill fear though.
That is the difference.
As I said, I'm not even commenting on whether Scientology's leaders or members abuse their power or position. The ideology, itself, differs from Christianity in that it does not teach the same brand of judgment and guilt that people are so accustomed (governed?) to. In Scientology, you aren't to fear and respect a divine presence at all times in hopes to save your soul. Except maybe Xenu. Plenty to fear from that guy. |
ahh sorry i misinterpreted your post. i see what you mean. i dont think any religion specifically says to instill fear or harm people? i am no master on religion though so i dont know. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
"Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." - Proverbs 1:7
"Come, ye children, hearken to me; I will teach you the fear of the LORD." - Psalms 34:11
Of course, most Christians will say something like, "It doesn't mean 'fear' in the usual sense of the word." But that is the basis of the religion. The natural fear of death and fear of purposelessness, plus an induced fear of hell. Take all the fears away and you just have a bunch of castle-in-the-air metaphysical beliefs and some comforting bedtime stories about heaven.
Which is why liberal Christianity tends to die out and turn into atheism. If all the beliefs and pageantry make no difference in the end, why bother with any of it? |
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| RJT |
FFS. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I'm curious why some people think that religious beliefs ought to receive special treatment. |
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| RJT |
Where is it that I said anything along those lines?
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Please feel free to quote me - because I'm certain I said nothing of the sort.
I do, however, tire of people trying to distill something as nuanced as personal faith down to two paragraph post on the internet.
The arrogance of those who just assume they understand what "faith" is to a large group of people astounds and disgusts me at the same time. |
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