Originally posted by R!CH
where to begin.... jesus...
Funny, you've spent the better part of the weekend typing extensive posts rebutting my points and all of a sudden you haven't got anything to say. I suppose it's kind of hard when you've contradicted yourself into a corner.
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Originally posted by Colin Andrews
Believe it or not, a lot of people just want performance and don’t want to pay for interior refinement. Refined interiors cost a lot of MONEY. So if i want the same power, and refinement, what are my choices? A Ferrari? A Lamborghini? Those cars cost over double what even the most expensive Corvettes cost. I love that you brought up the Evo and STI. Both of those cars are BOXES with good engines. I've driven both and the interior refinement is simply awful, the Evo in particular. You act as if every single car has to be excellent at everything. It must have a good interior, it must have good performance, it must be comfortable, it must employ ground breaking technology. Get real, different cars appeal to different people at different price points and in different configurations.
I wasn't hanging my hat on interiors. I agree, Japanese interiors are generally woeful. Their top performance cars are still better than a Corvette though.
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Originally posted by Colin Andrews
Buying a performance car and caring about mileage is simply hilarious to me. I made a point of illustrating that engine size does not correlate directly to how fuel efficient a car is. That was my only point. Anyone who's buying a car they intend to drive fast, or on a race track, or get performance out of, should not be worried about mileage. My old Golf GTI got great mileage, over 32mpg on the highway, but when I tracked it, it got 5mpg. Again, performance cars all get ty mileage if they are used like intended. End of story.
There is a difference between making a fast car and completely disregarding environmental impact and making a fast car then trying to limit it's environmental impact. Look at the gains Porsche has made over the past five years with emissions.
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Originally posted by Colin Andrews
The GTR costs almost as much as the Corvette, but its service costs are outrageous. Service intervals cost thousands of dollars. Tracking the car (and all I've heard about people tracking them is the car going into limp mode, or the transmission overheating after a few laps) requires a mandatory service otherwise your warranty gets voided. It also has poor support from its producing company, IE illustrating an ability the car has and then proclaiming to its owners "yeah but if you use this feature, we won’t warranty the car. They even went so far as to remov the launch control entirely from the next production year. Also, if anything goes wrong its catastrophically expensive to fix. There was a thread on a UK GTR owner’s forum about a tiny rear end impact that cost the owner 10,000 pounds to fix. ONE FIFTH of the cars value, there goes your price advantage on the GTR. The Evo and STI are great cars to drive, but as I explained earlier, they are GARBAGE to sit in.
Okay, I wasn't aware of that. Point taken. However, my original point remains that there are cars with similar performance that cost roughly the same as the Corvette; the WRX and the Evo X.
miamitranceman
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Originally posted by Colin Andrews
I probably shouldn't have even responded to that post.
Let's stop the hate and get this back on track.
I just picked up this to be my new project/daily driver
I've always loved these things. They're great to sit in and drive and the VR6 power plant does very well when boosted. My plan over the next year or so is to build a custom GT35R turbo kit for it. I'm shooting for 450AWHP.
Nice...you'll have fun with that!
My neighbor's got a last-gen R32 and loves it.
R!CH
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Originally posted by Domesticated
Okay, I wasn't aware of that.
you aren't really aware of much apparently. yet you talk the loudest as if you do. your scatterbrained posts consist of straw man arguments, uninformed opinion, ambiguous assertions, reduction to the absurd, ad hominem and digression. when you aren't compartmentalizing your rationale, you're trying your hardest to make this an argument about me. at the same time you haven't made a single well-versed observation about the corvette. you're simply grasping for straws when the bottom line is that you have no first-hand knowledge or experience with the car you're so vehemently attacking. i've already made my point and you obviously aren't convincing anyone of anything here. for me to pick apart your posts would be waste of time because you are so patently unconvincing. i'll just let you keep making a fool of yourself on your own cause you clearly don't need my help.
fbgdavidson
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Originally posted by Colin Andrews
I probably shouldn't have even responded to that post.
Let's stop the hate and get this back on track.
I just picked up this to be my new project/daily driver
I've always loved these things. They're great to sit in and drive and the VR6 power plant does very well when boosted. My plan over the next year or so is to build a custom GT35R turbo kit for it. I'm shooting for 450AWHP.
Nice! You're in Canada and coming to my neck of the woods (they look like VA plates) for an R32? Must be a good one!
My wife has a GTI (not an R32) in black a bit like that we both enjoy and my brother has the current Edition 30 that is a right laugh. He lives on an island with small roads and it is the perfect car for that environment.
Colin Andrews
Indeed I am coming down to VA to pick the car up. We never got them here in Canada, and when the government finally harmonized the bumper standards I decided to pick one up.
I`ll be coming down on the 30th of December and doing the drive back with a friend over the next four days. We are going to stop in Chicago for NYE. Hopefully we can find something awesome for that night. I have to say though, its difficult to find solid information on DJ`s playing in Chicago on NYE.
Back to cars.
I`m a huge wagon fan. If they weren`t so unreliable I would own a B5 Audi S4 Avant and I would have done a widebody RS4 conversion on it.
Or if they weren`t so slow, I would own a B7 A-line A4 Avant.
mdamon7278
In the end and I mean at the finish line, Its me and RICH drinking and smoking some nice cigars cause in the end american muscle will always rule the streets of america and thats a fact bitches, now more pics of those sweet rides :gsmile:
fbgdavidson
My current daily driver.
493bhp, 590lb/ft of torque and she'll massage my bottom on the way to work. That's a car I can love.
Leif
Designed/manufactured/tested & raced by my friends/peers and I :)
You should see the rich teams...
leph555
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Originally posted by mdamon7278
In the end and I mean at the finish line, Its me and RICH drinking and smoking some nice cigars cause in the end american muscle will always rule the streets of america and thats a fact bitches, now more pics of those sweet rides :gsmile:
:stongue:
leph555
time for more arguments
Moongoose
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Originally posted by Leif
Designed/manufactured/tested & raced by my friends/peers and I :)
