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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by pmoisse
Having some datalogging capacity in performance cars shouldn't be that surprising.
Hell, enough warranty claims have likley been voided because people get excited doing hard launches in their Subaru STi's and snap axles.
Regardless of the launch control being a selling feature or not, if you knowingly do something against the terms and conditions of the warranty of the car, you shouldn't be covered. Simple.
As for the thought that disabling the traction control kills the diffs and tranny, it's probably more scare than anything. Given how these things all have to work together and the forces involved, letting the system work as it's supposed to is probably for the best. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| To clarify my view guys, I don't think that damage done while using launch control should be covered under warranty. Using the car in a competition type of situation is quite far from what the cars intended use is. If you choose to race on a track etc that is your responsibility for the damage. This is not where my beef lies. My beef lies in that just the mere disabling of VDC too many times voids your warranty. |
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| Lilith |
| Cant afford to fix it then you probably shouldn't be driving it. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Cant afford to fix it then you probably shouldn't be driving it. |
Agreed, but as I said, warranty void for turning off traction control is bull. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Agreed, but as I said, warranty void for turning off traction control is bull. |
+1 the VDC issue is just stupid.
and of course, i'm turned off by the fact that they market this car to have a faster 0-100 km/h time than a 911 turbo, but only when using launch control. and the fact that using that s you up is utterly retarded.
if you can't use all the functions ur paying for, the car is a failure imo, just like the 01-02 996 turbo u pointed out. I'd never buy that car until the problems were fixed. same way i'm saying the 2009 GTR is a failure. 2010 might be a diff story ;) |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
+1 the VDC issue is just stupid.
and of course, i'm turned off by the fact that they market this car to have a faster 0-100 km/h time than a 911 turbo, but only when using launch control. and the fact that using that s you up is utterly retarded.
if you can't use all the functions ur paying for, the car is a failure imo, just like the 01-02 996 turbo u pointed out. I'd never buy that car until the problems were fixed. same way i'm saying the 2009 GTR is a failure. 2010 might be a diff story ;) |
Exactly. |
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| pmoisse |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Disabling traction control has its advantages. They are all rooted in the fact that some places have dry climates and some of those users are quite handy at understanding their cars. Being ed for disabling it is just plain ed. Disabling it does not mean you are doing things that void the warranty even if it is likely. They are basically saying that you can't use your car as you wish as long as it is not abused if you want the warranty. |
If it's dry, then why would the t/c need to step in and start doing stuff unless you're driving it with fists made from Christmas hams?
This car is more intelligent than the whole space program and just because some weekend tuner thinks it's not hurting anything, why should his curiosity be encouraged and covered under warranty?
It sounds to me like the only reason people would want the t/c switched off is to try and be some fast and furious drifter. They're buying the wrong car if they want to do that. An older Sylvia would work much better at a fraction of the cost ;) |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by pmoisse
If it's dry, then why would the t/c need to step in and start doing stuff unless you're driving it with fists made from Christmas hams?
This car is more intelligent than the whole space program and just because some weekend tuner thinks it's not hurting anything, why should his curiosity be encouraged and covered under warranty?
It sounds to me like the only reason people would want the t/c switched off is to try and be some fast and furious drifter. They're buying the wrong car if they want to do that. An older Sylvia would work much better at a fraction of the cost ;) |
Traction control comes in at all sorts of times. My buddies BMW has it and he turns it off as it is intrusive. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by pmoisse
It sounds to me like the only reason people would want the t/c switched off is to try and be some fast and furious drifter. |
wrong, there are those of us who'd like to drive the car without drifting but at the same time take the car to its limit (within the boundaries of the law) e.g. take a turn in the country-side within speed limits on an empty road but not have to let traction control apply the brake; as a driver you should have the right to know what the threshold would be for your car to turn without drifting (if that's the type of car you want, of course--not every car allows disabling of traction control).
different people, diff reasons.  |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
wrong, there are those of us who'd like to drive the car without drifting but at the same time take the car to its limit (within the boundaries of the law) e.g. take a turn in the country-side within speed limits on an empty road but not have to let traction control apply the brake; as a driver you should have the right to know what the threshold would be for your car to turn without drifting (if that's the type of car you want, of course--not every car allows disabling of traction control).
different people, diff reasons. |
This is exactly why I said "spirited driving" earlier. There are ways to push your car without breaking it, or even coming close, yet you are not abusing it. |
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| pmoisse |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
wrong, there are those of us who'd like to drive the car without drifting but at the same time take the car to its limit (within the boundaries of the law) e.g. take a turn in the country-side within speed limits on an empty road but not have to let traction control apply the brake; as a driver you should have the right to know what the threshold would be for your car to turn without drifting (if that's the type of car you want, of course--not every car allows disabling of traction control).
different people, diff reasons. |
Fair points all around.
I would still suggest that someone think twice about their purchase if that was the case, but then that's only my opinion. Also, my opinion is that I don't like t/c either, no ABS. I like to feel everything the car does myself like you guys said. That's why I like older sportscars.
I'll never be able to afford anything cool like this anyways, so it's a pretty academic argument. |
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| zoogla |
| lol main reason i wouldn't be interested in this first round of GTRs anyway (i have a neighbour who was selling his deposit on one) is that they don't come in manual transmission yet. Problem solved ;) |
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