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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
i like more government regulation over corporate america. :D |
agreed to a point, but it can lead to regulation over so many other parts of life. And it can be very costly in terms of $$$. |
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| LYNDSAYwhaaat? |
Palin isnt my biggest hero, by any means. McCain isn't either. As far as Rich's assertion that Palin lacks foreign policy experience, he's right. That said, so does Obama. When asked what he'd have done over the whole Russian invasion of Georgia, he said he'd take the issue to the UN, where Russia has the veto power to override anything the UN could ever do to correct the matter. Obama is also inexperienced and even though he can dish out verbal hand jobs internationally, his understanding of the dynamics of foreign policy thus far have shown how dangerous he might be. Biden is his only hope to accomplish a anything internationally...IMHO.
As for abortion... It is what it is in the minds of those who partake. I'm not going to get into that argument. I will say this, the same person who condemns Palin for choosing to have a less than perfect baby would have chosen to abort the likes of Stephen Hawking too. That would have been a horrible loss for this world. Less than perfect doesn't mean a human being can't make a far greater impact than someone who is physically perfect. I'll leave it at that.
As for gun control not being an important issue.... Hitler, Fidel Castro, Linen and Mow are all horrible dictators who really enjoyed not having to deal with an armed populous. Look at the good they did for this world. There's a damn good reason our founding fathers felt that the second amendment was such an important right. Once we no longer have guns to defend ourselves and offset government power with, nothing will be our decision anymore anyway. As far as nancy pelosi (speaker of the house and a democrat) is concerned, sporting weapons should all be severely and strictly controlled and everything else should be confiscated. It's dangerous . Remember this, politicians really DONT know what's best for you. It's not their job to decide that. That's up to us, the voting public. |
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| DaveT |
You can't have guns in Japan. Ever hear much about any type of major violence issues there? I imagine your response is that we're not Japan. Well, our leaders are not people like Hitler. Not saying we should ban guns. I think we should be doing things have more gun control and progress from there with the goal that one day maybe we can be free of guns.
I'll just sum it up with how my vote is for right now. Both sides are a mess. Both sides have good points. Both sides have bad points. But when looking at the future, what could happen when either party is in office, I am simply scared as hell when I think about what if something, god forbid, Sarah did have to step into the presidency role.
The impact could be so massive, IMO. From public confidence in our country to more world economic issues (stock markets).
Right now, I'm with Obama/Biden. It's scary to think that I am basing my vote because of the VP selection, but I think McCain's decision, while BOLD, could have a huge negative impact on this country if something were to ever happen to him. McCain always said the one main thing he would look for in a VP (while he was searching for a VP still) is someone who he has zero doubts is qualified to step into his shoes in case somethign happened to him. And he came up with Palin? And that's another irritation. I, withouth a doubt, believe that his choice was purely political and had nothing to do with looking out for the best interested in our country. His political move is working, but it could bite him in the ass later on.
And this comes from a person who is generally a Republican. Blame my parents, lol. But I'm all ears still and listening to hear the right things. Right now, both Campaigns are saying the same speech over and over again...literally, I swear I've heard the same few lines from all candidates from mulitple rallies in different cities on TV. Nothing new is being said. It gets old. |
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| gerard6975 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LYNDSAYwhaaat?
Remember this, politicians really DONT know what's best for you. It's not their job to decide that. That's up to us, the voting public. |
but you voted for them to represent you. :conf: :conf: :conf: isn't voting for your representative means you have confidence that they'll look after your interests? you can always write to them and speak your mind ;) |
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| CND |
You all really think Biden the plagiarist would make a good president? I don't.
Biden has a well-documented history of being wrong, wrong, wrong on most of the important foreign policy issues over his thirty-year senate stay. I have always looked at Biden as a filibustering joke. Somewhat like his fellow democratic senate colleague the ex Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd. A droning gaff machine. I was shocked when Obama, the so-called new wave of politician, who’s speaks of “change” of some sort, would go with a running mate whom personifies the opposite of change.
I guess that what happens when you campaign on platitudes. No oars in the water and no rudder on the boat.
Btw did you know that Martin Luther King was a republican? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by LYNDSAYwhaaat?
Palin isnt my biggest hero, by any means. McCain isn't either. As far as Rich's assertion that Palin lacks foreign policy experience, he's right. That said, so does Obama. When asked what he'd have done over the whole Russian invasion of Georgia, he said he'd take the issue to the UN, where Russia has the veto power to override anything the UN could ever do to correct the matter. Obama is also inexperienced and even though he can dish out verbal hand jobs internationally, his understanding of the dynamics of foreign policy thus far have shown how dangerous he might be. Biden is his only hope to accomplish a anything internationally...IMHO.
As for abortion... It is what it is in the minds of those who partake. I'm not going to get into that argument. I will say this, the same person who condemns Palin for choosing to have a less than perfect baby would have chosen to abort the likes of Stephen Hawking too. That would have been a horrible loss for this world. Less than perfect doesn't mean a human being can't make a far greater impact than someone who is physically perfect. I'll leave it at that.
As for gun control not being an important issue.... Hitler, Fidel Castro, Linen and Mow are all horrible dictators who really enjoyed not having to deal with an armed populous. Look at the good they did for this world. There's a damn good reason our founding fathers felt that the second amendment was such an important right. Once we no longer have guns to defend ourselves and offset government power with, nothing will be our decision anymore anyway. As far as nancy pelosi (speaker of the house and a democrat) is concerned, sporting weapons should all be severely and strictly controlled and everything else should be confiscated. It's dangerous . Remember this, politicians really DONT know what's best for you. It's not their job to decide that. That's up to us, the voting public. |
Man, I really like your music (a lot) but your examples and political outlooks are waaaay off base.
Obama does lack foreign policy experience, that's why Biden (who has more foreign policy experience than anyone else in the senate and is the chairman of the foreign affairs select comitee (bipartisan by the way) shows a deeply educated choice from Obama for his VP. He also, brings 35 years of heavyweight political experience and understanding to the ticket. Th advantage of this is that obama can make decisions based on experienced advice. Obama was right to suggest using the UN but he also stated at the same that the UN needed to reestablish itself as a international body that is taken seriously by all countries. Bush and Blair did a great job of destroying the credibility and power of the UN by doing whatever they wanted without the approval of the UN (namely invading another country). America, if it wants any chance at being seen as a responsible country (and to greatly reduce both the growing anti american sentiment in many parts of the world and national security threats) it needs to stop being Team America (world police) and work with organizations such as the UN and NATO to help them in a united effort to change international policy. By going around them it negates their place in the owrd and makes America an enemy, all by itself.
Abortion argument is bull. Stephen Hawkin was in his twenties when he became ill and had already been through Oxford university. Down syndrom children have seriously impaired IQ, so sadly, the chances of a down syndrome child becoming one of the greatest scientists of our time is near impossible.
Have you ever met a rape victim that became pregnant because of it? I have and believe me, you have absolutely no right to even suggest they should keep that baby if they don't want to. The state should not even be involved on this choice. Millions of people die each year in countries where abortion is illegal, from back alley doctors. There are so may reasons why pro life politics is wrong and only one reason they propose it: religion. Now say that sentence out loud.
Gun control. me. The constitution and the first amendment was written at a time when there was a very good chance of the English coming to invade America (again) so it was entirely neccessary to be able to mobilize an army of farmers who had weapons to fight an approaching well armed foreign force.
IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN NOW AND YOU HAVE A PROPER AND ING WELL FUNDED ARMY IF IT COMES TO THAT. the general population has need need to bear arms, maybe apart from hunters and farmers.
4 out of 5 firearm related homicides in America are from guns owned in the home, used on someone related to the owner. The costs of gun ownership amazing outweigh the chance of ever having to mobilize a citizens army.
By the way the NRA was formed in the same month and year the KKK was banned. I wonder who they think is going to invade then?
Politicians can be voted in or out, that's how you get rid of them. Thinking you need to own a gun just in case, means you really don't know that they would never let it get to that.
CND, it is ironic because you are for supporting a pro war, pre-emtive strike, pro Iraq, pro defence spending candidate. There is nothing anti-war or pro peace about McCain.
DAVET, you are absolutely right about Palin being a purely political choice. There was/is nothing, apart from votes that her nomination could bring, that someone with more experience (and it really isn't difficult to find anyone in politics with more political/foreign/fiscal experience than her) could. They did it just to try to steal the fire from Obama.
The difference is with Obama, when he speaks, you hear a man of measured intelligence, cultural diversity and the ability to listen. This is EXACTLY what America needs after 8 years of Bush. Not a president and VP that just wins because they served in the military and are white and religious.
As for the elgin marbles, who gives a . Let the greeks have em, but profit from them? Profit from what? The British Musuem is free. yes, like all our museums, because the UK decided a long time ago that many things, such as education, culture and healthcare should not cost a taxpayer anything. Socialist, yes. Is it good? yes. Should America's museums and schools be free? should healthcare be available to all?
C'mon now.
The only argument with the elgin marbles to stay in the UK is that it is free for all to see and it is also housed in one of the largest museums on earth, for all to see. The greeks have admitted that they would probably charge to see them. |
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| xenpro |
If this is your mom ... vote republican
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| sponger |
| quote: | | Gun control. me. The constitution and the first amendment |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by LYNDSAYwhaaat?
Palin isnt my biggest hero, by any means. McCain isn't either. As far as Rich's assertion that Palin lacks foreign policy experience, he's right. That said, so does Obama. When asked what he'd have done over the whole Russian invasion of Georgia, he said he'd take the issue to the UN, where Russia has the veto power to override anything the UN could ever do to correct the matter. Obama is also inexperienced and even though he can dish out verbal hand jobs internationally, his understanding of the dynamics of foreign policy thus far have shown how dangerous he might be. Biden is his only hope to accomplish a anything internationally...IMHO. |
in terms of foreign policy, the biggest quality i look for is sound judgment. to make good policy you don't need to be an expert in geopolitics. in fact sometimes your reliance on past expertise prevents you from recognizing the dynamic nature of new situations. you do however need someone with topical knowledge and a logical frame of mind when dealing with incredibly sensitive issues between sovereign nations. you don't want someone like palin who invokes the will of god into a discussion on american military action. the most important question is who are these candidates going to pick for advisers? all foreign policy issues are discussed amongst the president's advisers behind closed doors and these people are the ones who guide the discussion that determines the policy.
obama has spoken of surrounding himself with people of different perspectives so that he can hear both sides of an argument before making a decision. this is something that all of our best presidents used to do until the reagan administration. today republicans worship the man who invented partisan politics. obama doesn't have much experience in foreign policy, but here's what he does have: a degree in political science and international relations from columbia university, a law degree from harvard, former editor and president of the harvard law review, adjunct professor in constitutional law, and chairmanship of the foreign relations committee in congress. harvard law school taught him how to construct a legal argument, which is a skill that's important for developing a believable justification for your actions. anyone who's taken a class in law knows that a legal argument is a strong and well-thought out one.
palin on the other hand has a record of firing people who don't agree with her and surrounding herself with loyalists, much like bush. she's a unilateralist and her stance on invading sovereign nations mirrors the rhetoric of bush circa 2002. she is more extreme than mccain in this respect. she thinks israel should have carte blanche in the middle east. she subscribes to the bush doctrine of preemptive war even though she doesn't know that's what the bush doctrine is. she thinks the russian incursion into georgia was unprovoked even though that's the exact opposite of reality. then she goes and rationalizes her readiness to be a head of state by saying she can see russia from alaska and that's valuable experience! she's never had a passport in her life until last year and other than a trip to see wounded soldiers at american military bases, she's only ever been to canada and mexico. she still hasn't met with any foreign heads of state or diplomats and you can already tell she lacks diplomacy skills. her and mccain's speechwriters and campaign strategists are from the bush administration. do you have any guesses where their actual policy advisers may come from? her philosophy on national defense is that of a deer in the headlights: "don't blink". 22 out of 22 nations in a recent bbc poll prefer dealing with an obama presidency than a mccain presidency. why? because he believes in consensus building and multilateral cooperation rather than unilateral "don't blink" gut-shot machismo.
| quote: | | Originally posted by LYNDSAYwhaaat? As for abortion... It is what it is in the minds of those who partake. I'm not going to get into that argument. I will say this, the same person who condemns Palin for choosing to have a less than perfect baby would have chosen to abort the likes of Stephen Hawking too. That would have been a horrible loss for this world. Less than perfect doesn't mean a human being can't make a far greater impact than someone who is physically perfect. I'll leave it at that. |
that's your opinion of a very specific hypothetical and it's respectable, but it's beside the point and national policy shouldn't be anchored to anecdotal evidence. especially with respect to policies that abridge civil liberties. the government has no place telling people what they can and can't do to themselves - PERIOD. if you live in a society where victimless crime like drug use, prostitution and abortion are illegal, you create a society of unsafe practices, organized criminals, domestic violence, tied up court systems, enormous prison populations, hemorrhaging of public debt, missed opportunity costs and the people who need real help hiding in the shadows out of fear and shame. furthermore you are ignoring the cause of a real societal problem (lack of education and opportunity) and treating the symptoms by locking them away in cages that don't improve anything. also we're not talking about a woman who wants to limit the use of abortion to special circumstances, she wants to force rape and incest victims to raise unwanted children. this is not a palin-specific view either. mccain has also called roe v wade a mistake. guess what that means? more crime and more criminals in your streets. that's a proven fact shown by the drop in crime across the board that began 15 years after abortion was legalized.
| quote: | | Originally posted by LYNDSAYwhaaat? As for gun control not being an important issue.... Hitler, Fidel Castro, Linen and Mow are all horrible dictators who really enjoyed not having to deal with an armed populous. Look at the good they did for this world. There's a damn good reason our founding fathers felt that the second amendment was such an important right. Once we no longer have guns to defend ourselves and offset government power with, nothing will be our decision anymore anyway. As far as nancy pelosi (speaker of the house and a democrat) is concerned, sporting weapons should all be severely and strictly controlled and everything else should be confiscated. It's dangerous . Remember this, politicians really DONT know what's best for you. It's not their job to decide that. That's up to us, the voting public. |
no one is even talking about banning guns from the civilian population. hand guns, shotguns and rifles are still legal in all 50 states of this country and have never been under threat of abolition. i'm tired of the alarmists on the right telling you that's the case. it's not. but wouldn't you agree that in a crowded city with a mixed population, gangs, organized crime and economic disparity, it is entirely unnecessary to allow ordinary citizens to walk the streets of downtown with fully-automatic military combat rifles and suppressed sub-machine guns with high capacity drum magazines? maybe some guy in montana can rationalize that he hunts elk with his 100-round mp5-sd6, but that's why gun regulation should be a state right not a federal mandate. la and detroit have different problems than helena and anchorage. when you can't write a law that serves both places equally well, why right one for both at all? |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by CND
You all really think Biden the plagiarist would make a good president? I don't.
Biden has a well-documented history of being wrong, wrong, wrong on most of the important foreign policy issues over his thirty-year senate stay. I have always looked at Biden as a filibustering joke. Somewhat like his fellow democratic senate colleague the ex Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd. A droning gaff machine. I was shocked when Obama, the so-called new wave of politician, who�s speaks of �change� of some sort, would go with a running mate whom personifies the opposite of change. |
unlike mccain however, obama won't eclipse the life expectancy rate while in office. the argument that biden could replace obama as president doesn't carry the same weight as palin replacing mccain... |
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| T.A.S.D. |
| The leftards here--led by the low minded likes of R!ch, dj rann clovis et al have dilapidated so enormously in being able to reconcile what socialism truly is and defend, with any merit, that Al-Barrack Hussein Osama is falling off the lunatic fringe of the left wing! When faced with any tough vote, Al-Barrack votes "present" which is in step with what any linguini spined libtard would do! Oh, and when he legislates sex ed for 4 and 5 year olds. His VP choice is a motley crew all to himself. What an embarrassing ass he's been these past few days. "Stand up for Chuck!" Ha ha. Can anyone, still, tell me what Al-Barrack has accomplished or what makes him qualified other than reading teleprompters well? No? Thought so. Ha ha. His VP and Hitlery cannot. They still think he's way underqualified. Therefore these facts remain irrefutable! |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by T.A.S.D.
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Go take a class on socialism because you have no idea what it is. |
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