This is mid session predictions, which historically are off when tallied against the real figures. Also, the spending pie chart within it is deceptive, because certain catagories have been banded together (i.e. a large amount of veteran care will come out of the meidcare/medicaid chunk which should come under defense spending, "other mandatory" spending is also used for defense related causes, a large amount of the social security money will be used to pay for welfare of injured/unfit to work soldiers etc.).
This is not truly representative of the costs applied to war/defense related spending.
R!CH
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Originally posted by CND
How about starting with the OMB.
wow thanks for posting a link to a 54 page report. please be more vague if you can! if you're talking about the portions of their pie chart versus mine, the discrepancy lies in the fact that the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending and trust funds are included in the income tax spending. an obvious distortion meant to hide the fact that over half our income tax dollars are spent on the military.
R!CH
since we've beaten the palin horse to death and she wisely refuses to open her mouth any more, let's focus on john mccain...
DJ RANN
This ^^^^^ should be it's own thread, now that the novelty VP selection has worn thin.
Please do the honors and post these vids. I was going to say the John Stewart one is going to be biased anyway, but that speech comparison is unreal.
CND
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Originally posted by R!CH
wow thanks for posting a link to a 54 page report. please be more vague if you can! if you're talking about the portions of their pie chart versus mine, the discrepancy lies in the fact that the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending and trust funds are included in the income tax spending. an obvious distortion meant to hide the fact that over half our income tax dollars are spent on the military.
There is something called a table of contents.
I repeat your figures are way off.
HotDogWater
here's some good info for ya, i believe someone already mentioned this briefly:
The Obama campaign yesterday went to court to block what it alleged was an attempt by Republicans in Michigan to stop people who lost their homes in the mortgage crisis from voting in November's election.
The suit, filed in a Michigan court yesterday, is the latest sign of contention over voting procedures. Voting rights activists in several battleground states have reported an aggressive push by Republican elected officials and activists to make it harder to vote.
In Macomb county, Michigan, a swing constituency, Republican officials for the first time tried to use America's housing crisis as a way of striking people off lists, the Obama camp told reporters yesterday. "There is no doubt that there is an immediate threat to the voting rights of citizens in Michigan whose names could appear on a foreclosure list," said Bob Bauer, an Obama lawyer.
The situation came to light last week when the Republican party chairman of Macomb county told a local newspaper he planned to draw on publicly available lists of home foreclosures to bar people from casting their vote.
"We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren't voting from those addresses," the official, James Carabelli, told the Michigan Messenger.
The national Republicans later distanced the party from his comment, but other state party officials confirmed there were plans to deploy an army of poll "challengers" who would check voters' credentials.
The Republicans argue that people who have lost their homes may no longer be resident at the address listed on voter records, and hence are ineligible to vote, and that their efforts are aimed at preventing voting fraud.
Such a claim is dismissed by campaign experts, who say there is minimal fraud in American elections.
Instead, they say the drive in Michigan to deploy poll challengers is intended to reduce turnout in poor areas and among African Americans, disproportionately affected by the housing crisis and thought to be likely Democratic voters.
Voting rights activists say they have already found a much more aggressive attempt by Republicans this election season to try to strike people off voting lists.
"I think that certainly the Republicans seem to be much more out front about how they are going to challenge people's right to vote," said Gerald Hebert, director of the nonpartisan campaign legal centre. "What we are seeing this time around is more of a broad-based effort, and we are also seeing the Republicans being much more assertive and bold in their announcements and not necessarily trying to do it under the radar."
Voting rights activists in Ohio and Missouri have reported attempts to use the housing crisis to try to disqualify voters.
In Michigan, Republican state party officials had planned to mail voters whose names appeared on a list of foreclosed homes obtained from the public records office. The idea was to compile a list of people who had been forced to move homes, but had yet to update their voter registration to their new address.
Republican party workers stationed at polling stations would then challenge such voters when they turned up on election day.
Also in Ohio, the state Republican party filed a law suit seeking to block streamlined new regulations that make it easier for people to cast their ballot by early voting.
In Wisconsin, meanwhile, the state's Republican attorney general has gone to court to try to compel poll workers to match voters' names against driving licence records.
Florida, which has a Republican governor, also moved last week to require poll workers to check voters' names against a government database.
The stated rationale of all these moves is prevention of voter fraud, although organisations which study elections say such fraud is a minimal risk.
The effort received a boost last April when the US supreme court ruled that states were entitled to require voters to present a state-issued photo ID such as a driving licence at the polls.
Civil rights organisations argued that the requirement discriminates against the poor and the elderly, who often do not have driving licences because they cannot afford a car.
More than 20 states now require voters to show ID at the polls, and there have been a series of recent reports about elderly people losing their right to vote.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by HotDogWater
here's some good info for ya, i believe someone already mentioned this briefly:
The guardian is one of the most credible news sources in the developed world.
Send this to everyone you know. Now. Seriously. :whip:
If you've had your home repossessed you can't vote? :wtf: FUUUUUUUCK THAAAAAAAAAAT. :wtf: Chances are if you live in Michigan and had your home repossessed, you aren't going to vote for McSame and Failin.
This is even worse than the Florida voter rigging and Fox "voting has closed" scandal.
CND
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
If you've had your home repossessed you can't vote? :wtf: FUUUUUUUCK THAAAAAAAAAAT. :wtf: Chances are if you live in Michigan and had your home repossessed, you aren't going to vote for McSame and Failin.
These claims are beyond liable.
Do some research before you take the reins and run with such garbage.
R!CH
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Originally posted by CND
These claims are beyond liable.
Do some research before you take the reins and run with such garbage.
you seem to be good at making baseless claims yourself. all you do is tell everyone they are wrong and to find out why themselves. yawn...
djjoshuaallen
lets face it, we are all going to have to pay for this mess. If you think that we (us making 30-60k) are not going to be effected by Obama's tax increases you are sadly mistaken.
The GOP tax cuts have proven time and time again to work. Bush cut taxes in huge amounts when compared to the Clinton administration, yet brought in %20 more revenues then clinton did
of course congress allowed him to blow it all on the war, but thats besides the point, and should be blamed on both parties anyways.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by CND
These claims are beyond liable.
Do some research before you take the reins and run with such garbage.
FACT: Obama is suing the GOP to stop this crime from happening.
FACT: “We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” GOP party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week.
