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| DaveT |
The big difference maker, IMO, in this election will be the low-end of the middle class. These are people who aren't ever really even in things like gallup polls. I think in this election, none of the gallup polls or any other polls you see are reliable...
Think the turnout this year is going to be incredible. I think a lot of these people haven't even registered yet. And, nationwide, I don't think we have a clue which way that group will lean because of territorial stuff. But, overall, these people seem to be paying the most attention to the election so hopefully the right choice is made in the end.
Voting for Obama simply because of his color or votiing for Palin because she's a women...and nothing else really, is flat out wrong and people need to think different. It only promotes more gender or racial discrimination in the end. It will only hurt this country in the long run. It pisses me in the media that no one in the media has covered what effects voting based on just these things will have. And don't tell me people aren't. I've see media peeps go up to random people a BILLION times and I can't tell you how many times their reasoning behind the choice was because of one of these things....and not because they actually think the person is the right man/woman for the job. |
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| lowski |
| people should have to pass a test to have the right to vote. what do you guys think? |
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| R!CH |
| i think this election will be decided by youtube :gsmile: |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by lowski
people should have to pass a test to have the right to vote. what do you guys think? |
personally, no. i think everyone should have a right to vote regardless of their intelligence level (otherwise, i would not be able to vote:D ).
but i do think that voting should be something that is more accessible to people and improved security/technology or whatever the messed it up back in 2000 should be fixed. |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| i think election day should be an officialy holiday and all business should come to a hault. That way we have no excuse, an entire day to make it to the polls |
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| CND |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
hey let's not forget that she tried to ban books from a public library and she thinks abortion is unacceptable even in cases of rape and incest victims. she knew that having another kid at her age has a high risk of birth defects and did it anyway. she knew he would be born retarded in the first trimester and carried him to term anyway - what a maverick! she has five kids, which is socially and environmentally neglectful of the population problem. on top of that, she's a total cvnt (based on her convention speech), speaks to america like we're 6 year olds, and her voice makes me want to stab orphans. up until last year she's never had a passport, and she has never traveled outside of the united states in her life. her political success has been built upon divisive issues like gun control and abortion that play no part in local gov. she even ousted the mayor of a town of 6000 by painting him as a baby killer. she wishes to make this election about guns and abortion rather than our economic and foreign policy turmoil. based on her cspan interviews from jan-feb of this year, her greatest political ambition is to make america's oil addiction an alaskan strength rather than a thing of the past. imagine all the time and power she would have as a vp - with no official responsibilities - to carry out all her ideological goals. fastrack to the second coming! :rolleyes: |
Take a breath . . .
Hate isn't a family value . . right? ;) |
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| bigperf |
| anyone else think the republicans are going to steal it, i mean squeak out another win like in 2000.... |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by bigperf
anyone else think the republicans are going to steal it, i mean squeak out another win like in 2000.... |
McCain-Palin '08 virtually using the same script as Schwarzenegger '03
(09-09) 16:20 PDT -- Californians have seen this movie before: An "outsider" and "reformer" rises to acclaim, promising to sweep government clean.
Then comes a frantically short run to the election, characterized by impressive photo ops and rare opportunities to question the candidate.
Meanwhile, the media becomes the target of campaign scorn for taking a closer look at the rising star.
That was the script when a political outsider named Arnold Schwarzenegger was a surprise candidate for governor in California in a 2003 recall that transformed him overnight from movie star to candidate to leader of the world's seventh largest economy.
And by the time Schwarzenegger ran for a full first term, Steve Schmidt - the political guru now managing the GOP presidential ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin - had the former body builder's image and political profile under firm control.
Political observers in the Golden State now watching the political rocket ship of the Alaska Governor say there's a sense of deja vu in what some are calling Palin's current "Mrs. Smith goes to Washington" scenario.
"The biggest parallels I see is that they both come out of the blue. And the voters are desperate for a hero ... they're desperate to have hope in someone who can actually fix things," says GOP strategist Rob Stutzman, who was communication director for Schwarzenegger during the historic recall. "There's a lot of similarities. ... People fall in love with the idea of a hero they that can actually provide a refreshing change."
Barbara O'Connor, professor of political communication at Sacramento State University - who had a bird's eye view of the recall - says that the demographic appeal between the two candidates is also uncanny.
"There is a theme emerging - and Steve Schmidt is not an idiot," she said. "When they picked the vice presidential nominee, (the question was) how do you appeal to ... new voters, younger voters, decline-to-state voters ... and if we can pick up some of the Hillary voters, too, even better."
To this same electorate, "(Schwarzenegger) was the non-traditional outsider candidate in spades, with a forceful personality, a charming figure," who assumed cult hero status, said O'Connor.
Palin has assumed the same appeal - and an almost cult-like appeal - to grassroots conservatives, evangelical Christians and "people who don't habitually vote, who are not affiliated with a party and who are rising in numbers" and now comprise a quarter of the electorate, she said.
Some Democrats argue that Schwarzenegger - though well-known as an action hero movie star and a celebrity body builder - actually had a more varied, lengthier political record than Palin when he ran for chief executive in the nation's most populous state.
"By the time he ran in 2003, Arnold had shown a long-term interest in public policy, had been an associate of the first President Bush, had been married into the Kennedy family for 20 years, had run Prop. 49, (an after-school program) ballot measure, and had been involved in the Special Olympics," said Garry South, the former senior adviser to Gov. Gray Davis, who was felled in the 2003 recall against Schwarzenegger. "He was an international figure before he even thought about running and was well known by the voters in California."
"That is a far different situation than Palin," he said.
And that's why the "very short window of time" from campaign announcement to election works in the McCain-Palin campaign's favor, he says.
Schwarzenegger's campaign "playbook" kept press availabilities carefully limited to better control the story line and the message in the media, he said.
Under Schmidt's management, Palin has been equally elusive - though he asserts "it's ridiculous that this woman has not done any interviews on television since she was named vice presidential pick on August 29."
Those who followed the Schwarzenegger recall will also recognize another familiar theme, - attempts to back the media off from looking too closely at the candidate and the "maverick" record.
For Palin, that means more trouble could lie in further examinations of the Troopergate case, and her record as governor and mayor of Wasilla - including support of tax increases and earmarks for her own state, and questions about whether she really said "thanks, but no thanks" to that Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska, and how she billed her state for travel expenses for herself and children .
Already, campaign surrogates like former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina and former U.S. treasurer Rosario Marin have charged an element of media sexism and "piling on" with those stories.
Sean Walsh, a senior adviser to Schwarzenegger, said he's not surprised that the media has been the focus of criticism from the campaign.
"The bottom line is, 'you've got to have a reason to keep the fire burning," said Walsh. "When Arnold Schwarzenegger was running, we deflected the attack ... and took the media on. It's a tried and true strategy and the public responds to it. ... Jiu-jitsu it and it works - I made no apologies for it."
Stutzman acknowledges it was "similar with Arnold also - (the idea that) 'you newspaper people go away' ... and the McCain-Palin campaign is in the similar position."
"You could talk over the head of the media in environments that the media doesn't control," he said. "But you can only do that for so long."
Stuzman says that much will depend on the coming weeks, and how the media persists in its reporting of Palin's story.
"We're in the infatuation stages right now," acknowledges Stutzman, who says her interview with ABC's Charlie Gibson this week will be a watershed moment - as will her upcoming debate with Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden.
"What happens to her in the next 60 days will be fascinating to watch," he said. "The only concern I have is that America loves celebrity ... and they love to see celebrities fall." |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by CND
Take a breath . . .
Hate isn't a family value . . right? ;) |
i'm not a moral crusader so you can take family values and shove them up palin's ass :) |
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