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Intelligent Design Theory (pg. 17)
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Two words: Volt Air! The guy was a riot and he did contribute to the French Revolution, didn't he? So there! ;) |
you being right makes you wrong. you said mocking the message is more effective. I just mocked your previous message and yet it wasn't effective.
try saying "mocking" 5x fast |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
does not compute. |
Ya, insults are funny. That's humour! |
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| I don't see what yall are complaining about. Matt did not call the woman a dumbass or anything. He responded to her questions calmly for a few minutes and when she made the famous Ray Comfort "banana" argument, he had had enough and decided to make a few sarcastic/humorous comments. Sometimes a little mockery is justified in situations like these. When people have really stupid or uninformed opinions, it can be necessary to shake people out of an irrational stupor. If a kid makes it all the way to high school while still believing in Santa Claus and he gets mocked for by his peers when they find out, that could be just what he needs to shake him up and make him start questioning things. The same goes for conspiracy nuts, holocaust deniers, and other people who accept claims without rational justification. Rational persuasion should be the first thing in your toolkit, but mocking the stupidity of false beliefs can also be helpful..if not to the person who holds them, then certainly to those watching from the sidelines. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
If religious belief was irrational people wouldn't believe it. People warp it to BE rational for them. Its not empirical, but empiricism is a confused, bastardised rationality anyway.
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no no no no no.
If you have to warp it completely out of context to rationalize it, whats the point? Why not rely on empericism? This is how our civilization and general progression has come to be since inception. Do you think we could have evolved into what we are today without depending on our senses? Why would you neglect 500 million years of history and experience to simply entertain a couple of thousand years of, for the most part, mythologies simply created to attempt to explain the unknown which we now know have no substantial backing. Religion IS irrational and outdated.
Why beleive in something that isn't true when you can believe in something that is true, proven testable and works all the time?
With all that being said, im not saying that we shouldnt continue to refute existing theories that aren't subtstantially concrete to try to understand the universe, the big bang and even entertain some outlandish ideas. But in the end there needs to be some sort of direction by which none is given through the 3 main religions we have today.
That is Christianity, Islam and Judaism. All outdated hogwash that have done nothing recently but segregate and cause conflict. |
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| Desiderata |
Unicorns and Rainbows > God |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Yet entirely inextricable from the entirety of the human experience thusfar. Religion is scientifically irrational - but on its own terms, it makes perfect sense. |
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This is an old Theory, The String Theory. But in 1995 there was 6 sub Theory's of String Theory but now they have been confirmed that the 6 different competing sub Theory's of the String Theory is actually just 6 corners of a deeper Theory called M Theory. This is in the progress of becoming 'The Grand Design of Everything' something Einstein so desperately searched for.
It has not been proven yet but progress is being made for the fact, that even though M Theory can't be proven fully in detail just yet in a laboratory doesn't count it out yet, because M Theory has been linked to Quantum Entanglement which can be proven in a laboratory. So, soon maybe in another decade we will have an actually 'Grand Design of Everything'. A great leap in man kind.
"The laws of Physics can explain the Universe without the need for a creator" - Stephen Hawkins. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Religion IS irrational |
Aaaww, come on, don't make me look bad!
Like Hal said, religion is rational in its own framework: it provides answers for questions that had been formulated up until that point and give answers that people want to hear (mind you, no big religion says God is a bastard that hates us and thinks we should all rot in hell regardless of what we all do). It makes a lot of sense to believe in religion, specially if you've got no better answer (either because you don't know or because you don't understand the rival ideas). The only problem of most religions is that the moment they're codified, they become increasingly inconsistent with experience.
Ironically, it's not rational to trust rationality either. Because you can only justify why one should be rational by being rational ;) |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Two words: Volt Air! The guy was a riot and he did contribute to the French Revolution, didn't he? So there! ;) |
You really like making things into two words :p |
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| srussell0018 |
| You gotta have faith-uh, faith-uh, faith-ahhhhh. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Aaaww, come on, don't make me look bad!
Like Hal said, religion is rational in its own framework:
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Mary poppins flying with her umbrella is also rational in its own framework, whats your point?
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it provides answers for questions that had been formulated up until that point and give answers that people want to hear (mind you, no big religion says God is a bastard that hates us and thinks we should all rot in hell regardless of what we all do).
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want is the key word here. Just because we want to hear it, doesn't make it valid, correct and logical.
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It makes a lot of sense to believe in religion, specially if you've got no better answer (either because you don't know or because you don't understand the rival ideas). The only problem of most religions is that the moment they're codified, they become increasingly inconsistent with experience.
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i agree with you 100%, this is the reality behind mythology, religion, fairy tales etc. It gives us reassurance for the unknown no matter how ridiculous the ideas maybe. But should we not abandon those previous ideas when we come up with better, more substantial ones? Especially when nature has been abiding by them for hundreds of millions of years, That being the empirical truth? Using our senses to progress through life believing in that which is tangible or and or logically perceivable?
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Ironically, it's not rational to trust rationality either. Because you can only justify why one should be rational by being rational ;) |
A woodchuck could chuck any wood he would chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
If there is no wood, than cannot the woodchuck chuck? if we cannot trust rationality, then our airplanes wouldn't fly, we wouldnt have electricity, etc etc. We have to trust our rationality and improve on it as we progress throughout time. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Mary poppins flying with her umbrella is also rational in its own framework, whats your point? |
His point is precisely that: Mary Poppins is fiction, meant to entertain. It is not trying to change the world, or usher in some new age of logic for the betterment of the species.
Neither should religion - its only true aim is to impart spiritual meaning to inexplicable phenomena, and before you say it, it is NOT science's aim to explain away these phenomena. That's where self-appointed rationalists take the essence of science and run with it, much in the same way self-appointed enlightened take religion and run with it.
Science is merely the methodology of empirically researching tangible or otherwise observable phenomena for the purpose of compiling information. There is nothing in its essence that points toward defeating aspects of human spiritualization, it's merely one of those consequences people are apt to trumpet far after the fact. Religion does the same thing, but there is bad religion just as there is bad science.
I wonder if anyone would have attempted to build a machine that flies were it not for the very same origins in wonderment ancient civilizations extolled when seeing birds and encoding them in their rationale of the world. |
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