One man being dead is not an 'extreme claim' at all. In fact, the people downplaying this issue as such are completely right - it's just one man - why celebrate?
To doubt the veracity of the claim is to doubt the authority from which it has been issued, one that has supplied DNA evidence toward it. Do you believe that they are mistaken, or do you believe that they are lying to you - that is what separates conspiracy theorists from casual skeptics in this scenario. Furthermore, even if you were provided with photographic evidence - do you believe you are totally qualified to know what you are looking at? Or do you believe the photo might be doctored? One can apply the same criteria to "DNA evidence", no?
There is a point where skepticism becomes listless, and this point is probably different for everyone. It becomes necessary for one to put forth an issue of motive when they are to call into question the claims of an authority consisting of thousands of individuals all cooperating with one another.
Joss Weatherby
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Honestly? C'mon. You just mean Nou.
No, I'll admit it, but doing so would damage the efforts of the side that is on the right side of history, and that right side is the left side.
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
and that right side is the left side.
:p
Lira
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Originally posted by EgosXII
copy cat! :mad:
You said that before? :stongue:
I'm glad you don't study American philosophy, otherwise I'd really have an identity crisis :p
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
One man being dead is not an 'extreme claim' at all. In fact, the people downplaying this issue as such are completely right - it's just one man - why celebrate?
To doubt the veracity of the claim is to doubt the authority from which it has been issued, one that has supplied DNA evidence toward it. Do you believe that they are mistaken, or do you believe that they are lying to you - that is what separates conspiracy theorists from casual skeptics in this scenario. Furthermore, even if you were provided with photographic evidence - do you believe you are totally qualified to know what you are looking at? Or do you believe the photo might be doctored? One can apply the same criteria to "DNA evidence", no?
There is a point where skepticism becomes listless, and this point is probably different for everyone. It becomes necessary for one to put forth an issue of motive when they are to call into question the claims of an authority consisting of thousands of individuals all cooperating with one another.
Pretty much.
Taipan
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Originally posted by Domesticated
I think it more likely they received reliable information he died some years ago, either as collateral damage in another attack, or some other cause. Now Obama wants to take credit. It would certainly serve to silence the rednecks who call him a closet Muslim, etc.
I haven't yet made it through the whole thread but this sums up my thoughts exactly.
pkcRAISTLIN
Yeah, every single event is really just a smokescreen for the real truth of the matter :rolleyes:
Joss Weatherby
Someone needs to Hal up this thread and just start posting disgusting images so it gets locked and closed cause this convo is going to go no where interesting.
pkc: You are retarded
everyone else: illuminati jewish whales killed osama and obama is their love slave so he lied about it to protect their carcuses from torment.
ziptnf
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Originally posted by Taipan
I haven't yet made it through the whole thread but this sums up my thoughts exactly.
Why the would you believe that, especially considering you're from New York? Do you regard every news story as untrustworthy propaganda? I can understand why Domesticated doesn't believe it, he thinks anything related to America is rubbish.
Lira
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
To doubt the veracity of the claim is to doubt the authority from which it has been issued, one that has supplied DNA evidence toward it. Do you believe that they are mistaken, or do you believe that they are lying to you - that is what separates conspiracy theorists from casual skeptics in this scenario. Furthermore, even if you were provided with photographic evidence - do you believe you are totally qualified to know what you are looking at? Or do you believe the photo might be doctored? One can apply the same criteria to "DNA evidence", no?
That's exactly what I've been telling people since the news came out (and posted a summary somewhere else in this thread).
On what grounds do people think the president of a highly bi-polarised country would put his reputation on the line for a lie like that? Should it be blatantly false, why would political rivals that would do anything they can to oust Obama suddenly praise his actions? I had this conversation with 3 people today... and I must've talked about Osama with 4 or 5 people at best :p
Scepticism isn't a sign of intellectual rigour when you overdo it.
Imagin
President Obama celebrates with the people.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by ziptnf
I can understand why Domesticated doesn't believe it
I don’t. the only reason I haven’t gone on one of my stereotypical anti-CT rants is coz I like him.
