Nobody knows at all, so everyone is an agnostic. Nobody can submit or derive any basis for reviewable proof (much less the conduct one might even experiment), so the default position ought to be that there is no God, based on the available evidence; therefore everyone capable of even the most basic analysis is an Atheist.
The kicker is that neither of these labels preclude one from believing in a higher power, in having faith that there is indeed a creator entity, or some higher form of existence. There is a wealth of human experience and conditional expression to draw one to such a conclusion, so I see absolutely no problem with Deism in itself. It's when people begin delving in Theism and its traditional incrimination of an intervening and caring God; one that creates only pulchritudinous things, heterostandard things, and gives a where and how we apply our genitals, that even Theists with any resolve ought question with all the fury of an unbeliever.
If you ask me.
Znack
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
It has to do with your over-zealous pursuit of atheism. How many atheism threads are there, in the CoR, and how many are really that ing necessary? It has been done to death, yet you persist. The only resolution seems to be that everyone agrees with you, de+, and Kylle.
Pretty ing retarded considering the topic of this thread you bitching about people who talk about atheism, wouldn't you say? Everyone agreeing with me? You mean like how there's not one person on this site I agree with completely? Oh look, victim complex engaged! Activate shields! :rolleyes:
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Failing such a consensus, all three of you seem compelled to repeat yourself and the same tired refrains (regurgitated, decontextualized Dawkins and Hitchens quotes) concerning everything I (along with others) don't really care all that much about; in part because we have already read it or plan on reading it and do not require your interpretations to help decipher something so eloquently stated by better minds than yours.
If you don't care don't read it, but whatever you do, don't your pants and whine because "atheists r mean!!!!! Yeah, I only repeat what Dawkins/Hitchens say, and you repeat what William Lane Craig/Denesh d'Souza say.
Anymore baseless tossing?
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Looking at the content of your proposals leads one to believe, given your ideal world, there would be no religion. I'm speculating on the nature of how that would be achieved; based in large part on some of the utterly asinine things that have already been posted by you, de+, and Kylle.
You know what they say about belief, it shoves your head right up your . I've only ever heard on here that a world without religion is IMPOSSIBLE, and yet, you're equating with refuting religious claims and dogma as "wiping out religion". Oh, what's that? Another Christian apologetic strawman? You sure you're an atheist?
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You tossing Reductio ad Absurdium into this discussion is, at its root, a Reductio ad Absurdium fallacy.
Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks back to you", that's your argument right now. You're the one saying that atheists arguing against religion leads to global domination and mind control like the ty sci-fi you read. How about you read some H.P. Lovecraft. Good sci-fi where you can learn about something called "debate" and "societal discontent
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You haven't demonstrated the slightest conception of, let alone a willingness to grasp, what I'm talking about and I, consequently, really haven't invested a lot of time in establishing what, exactly, I am talking about; it is so painfully apparent that it will be misunderstood because you three are absolutely obdurate.
Well, at least you admit you don't know what you're saying and you're babbling on. We can both agree on that, and unlike your actual reductio ad absurdum claims, there's evidence to back that up.
Looking forward to when you've got an actual argument against reason and logic instead of "the sky is falling imperial march theme
de+
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Your conversational reference points seem restricted to those which really only concern religion. Although they may employ many of the same mechanisms, there are significant distinctions between theocratic and totalitarian regimes. These seem to be distinctions that you are unwilling to make.
There are theocratic regimes. There are totalitarian regimes. And there are totalitarian theocratic regimes. I noted the difference. Most totalitarian regimes aren't as bat- crazy as totalitarian theocratic regimes. Simply killing those who disagree with you, without even pretending to follow any rules, takes both totalitarianism and religion.
Dykes_on_Jay
you guys care more about this than most religious people care about religion. i guess that believing in nothing so hard makes you want to believe in something.
Lira
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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
you guys care more about this than most religious people care about religion.
This always makes me chuckle :p
Dykes_on_Jay
i can imagine the fervent typing that goes into their posts. the look on their faces must be similar to those during the spanish inquisition.
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
you guys care more about this than most religious people care about religion. i guess that believing in nothing so hard makes you want to believe in something.
Nihilism is a necessary fiction.
Dykes_on_Jay
double plus good.
Lira
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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
i can imagine the fervent typing that goes into their posts. the look on their faces must be similar to those during the spanish inquisition.
:stongue:
Actually, I'm not sure it's fair to exclude me from this. I do have the patience to rebut claims in every other thread or so. Why? Hell knows, but I'd be doing the same if they were deranged religious lunatics and they were saying the exact same thing, but defending the other side.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Eddie, I think you do a disservice to yourself attempting to explain the gist of the story that has been rattling around in your head. People are bound to see it as a point they can dissect, rather than a work of possible literature.
Honestly, having it picked apart was kind of my optimistic outlook for presenting it, at all. As it is, for the purposes of this discussion, even its superficial meaning was dithered to such a degree that it never really reached a common enough of an understanding to have its concept torn to shreds before I could use it. All's well that ends well, I suppose.
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Your pitch rather reminds me of this absolutely excellent episode of The Twilight Zone:
Thanks for this - it's actually pertinent to developing my little plot device.
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Originally posted by Lira
I should've said "you're not religious, right?" instead of calling you an atheist, I guess :p
I'd even hesitate to describe myself as "not" religious but I definitely wouldn't call myself religious, either. So much seems to be defined by either the absence or presence of something when I simply prefer not to be defined, at least with regard to my views on religion, at all. And even that is in something of a flux. [/meanderinghippienonsense]
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Originally posted by Znack
Pretty ing retarded considering the topic of this thread you bitching about people who talk about atheism, wouldn't you say? Everyone agreeing with me? You mean like how there's not one person on this site I agree with completely? Oh look, victim complex engaged! Activate shields! :rolleyes:
~
If you don't care don't read it, but whatever you do, don't your pants and whine because "atheists r mean!!!!! Yeah, I only repeat what Dawkins/Hitchens say, and you repeat what William Lane Craig/Denesh d'Souza say.
Anymore baseless tossing?
~
You know what they say about belief, it shoves your head right up your . I've only ever heard on here that a world without religion is IMPOSSIBLE, and yet, you're equating with refuting religious claims and dogma as "wiping out religion". Oh, what's that? Another Christian apologetic strawman? You sure you're an atheist?
~
Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks back to you", that's your argument right now. You're the one saying that atheists arguing against religion leads to global domination and mind control like the ty sci-fi you read. How about you read some H.P. Lovecraft. Good sci-fi where you can learn about something called "debate" and "societal discontent
~
Well, at least you admit you don't know what you're saying and you're babbling on. We can both agree on that, and unlike your actual reductio ad absurdum claims, there's evidence to back that up.
Looking forward to when you've got an actual argument against reason and logic instead of "the sky is falling imperial march theme
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Originally posted by de+
There are theocratic regimes. There are totalitarian regimes. And there are totalitarian theocratic regimes. I noted the difference. Most totalitarian regimes aren't as bat- crazy as totalitarian theocratic regimes. Simply killing those who disagree with you, without even pretending to follow any rules, takes both totalitarianism and religion.
Quoted for posterity. :stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
you guys care more about this than most religious people care about religion. i guess that believing in nothing so hard makes you want to believe in something.
This is genius. Goodnight, all.
Dykes_on_Jay
my non belief is so devoted that i do not feel the need to make others believe in non beliefs. i didn't even make this post. it was an immaculate one, most likely making me the atheist messiah.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by Lira
:stongue:
Actually, I'm not sure it's fair to exclude me from this. I do have the patience to rebut claims in every other thread or so. Why? Hell knows, but I'd be doing the same if they were deranged religious lunatics and they were saying the exact same thing, but defending the other side.
The difference is that I can disagree with you but you're going to explain yourself in such a way that demonstrates an understanding of my point of view. They demonstrate blatant misunderstandings, construing often unintentional straw-men to assail. It makes any discussion ultimately pointless.
And I've seen you have the patience of a saint when it comes to talking with lunatics. :D
