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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
I don't know if you should call it preaching... Atheists usually seek out others like them to take part in constructive conversations. It seems natural for an Atheist to do that because they enjoy questioning things and don't ever close their minds off. It's not preaching if all you're doing is looking for others like you to help make sense of everything. If a religious person wanders by and reads something they don't like, it's not the Aethiests fault that the other person does not want to partake in reality. |
Haha and a church is just a place where Catholics seek others like them to take part in constructive spiritual conversations with like minded people. However at least they do it in a church not in the open public.
I don't go to church because I don't feel like listening to a priest talk about spirtuality because basically hes just some other dude. He was born the same way I did, he came up through the same school system, he played soccer, got his ass kicked and now hes doing this. What can he tell me about life after death?
But I ask you the same question about all your in martyrs. They don't know what the hell happens after death either lol. You know why??? because nobody has ever died and come back to tell about it.
So you saying Nothing happens after death sounds just as crazy to me as going up into the clouds to hang out with all my loved ones who have also passed. Saying that there is nothing after death is just as strong of a statement as saying there is something after death.
There is no in proof of anything. You would think atheists being sooo proof and scientifc based would be smart enough to say, "well There is no proof of what happens after death so I'll just believe that I don't actually know what happens when we die"
but saying that nothing happens without any proof or saying theres a big guy in the clouds without any proof...is on the same level of crazy. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| can i get a Helll Yeahhh!? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
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| Vivid Boy |
well my point is at the end of all this. is that if a bunch of muslims here began a thread about what they believe in. they would get thrashed and bashed.
but a bunch of atheists come spewing their beliefs about life after death and its cool...because what they believe in is based off of science...but there is no scientific proof of nothing happening after we die. just as much as there is no proof of a heaven or hell. I'm not picking sides but I just want to point out how believing something happens is just as crazy as saying nothing happens. Its smarter and more scientific to just say I am undecided and reserve judgement until I receive all the facts.
and nobody ever calls atheists out on their bull.
to me its still a belief until their is factual proof. Atheism is just as much of a retarded religion as any other. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
But I ask you the same question about all your in martyrs. They don't know what the hell happens after death either lol. You know why??? because nobody has ever died and come back to tell about it.
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What if.. we all die
and came back to bitch about it :wtf: |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
well my point is at the end of all this. is that if a bunch of muslims here began a thread about what they believe in. they would get thrashed and bashed.
but a bunch of atheists come spewing their beliefs about life after death and its cool...because what they believe in is based off of science...but there is no scientific proof of nothing happening after we die. just as much as there is no proof of a heaven or hell. I'm not picking sides but I just want to point out how believing something happens is just as crazy as saying nothing happens. Its smarter and more scientific to just say I am undecided and reserve judgement until I receive all the facts.
and nobody ever calls atheists out on their bull.
to me its still a belief until their is factual proof. Atheism is just as much of a retarded religion as any other. |
I would completely agree with you if I didn't object to Atheism as a belief. Anti-theism might be a belief, and you bet that in the discourse of social experience, it's kind of a disrespectful one, as religious belief and ways are so ingrained in our culture, to counter them completely is still considered faux pas. Nihilism might be offensive to some (which is in fact what you are mostly talking about) because it truly does claim that there is nothing worth believing in, no receptacle for our faith or inference in the unknown.
But Atheism's /only/ true claim and position is that there is no verifiable evidence for a creator, an intervening deity who shaped us and watches us while we sleep and when we and never even stops dictating the conditions of our existence after we've died. And it's absolutely true. There is NO evidence of this. It simply is not there. I don't give a if you saw Jesus on your toast, there really is no possible way to prove to me in any empirical sense that it happened. I'm sure many Atheists would gladly eat their words if you could come up with both the method and the conclusion to conduct such an authentic display, but until that happens, their position is entirely correct, and probably misunderstood by most people who go out of their way to tell you they're Atheists in the first place.
Atheism does not claim that religion cannot be an enriching and multifaceted insight into our philosophical existence, however; It cannot deny that; it's simply not in its portfolio to make such a claim. People who identify as Atheists can certainly make such claims, and I believe they would be wrong, but that's just another case of human beings misrepresenting their flag or faith, which for the most part might just be the same thing that religion and the religious tend to suffer from, in shared respect to the dogmatic spread of hearsay. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
well my point is at the end of all this. is that if a bunch of muslims here began a thread about what they believe in. they would get thrashed and bashed.
but a bunch of atheists come spewing their beliefs about life after death and its cool...because what they believe in is based off of science...but there is no scientific proof of nothing happening after we die. just as much as there is no proof of a heaven or hell. I'm not picking sides but I just want to point out how believing something happens is just as crazy as saying nothing happens. Its smarter and more scientific to just say I am undecided and reserve judgement until I receive all the facts. |
It’s smarter and more scientific to say since we don’t know then people shouldn’t be using faith as a launching pad for legislation or public debate. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
It’s smarter and more scientific to say since we don’t know then people shouldn’t be using faith as a launching pad for legislation or public debate. |
Oh I wholeheartedly agree. but also know that identifying with a group that has a lot of power and money tends to win favors :)
anyways dont take me as a person who's defending his religion and preaching the word of God by smiting his foes. I am not. I know religion is seriously in flawed but I am the type to call a spade a spade for both sides.
and hal I get what you're saying. But alot of dumbasses just like to jump on the bandwagon of whoever gets bashed the least. Without knowing what it even means to be atheist. Atheism provides that protection and is always on the attacking team. I just enjoy attacking the attacker. |
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Actually by their laws, if you were born and baptized to be Catholic, you are a Catholic until you die, even if you renounce the church. Do you ever make arguments based on actual facts, or is it always just stuff that you make up and hope nobody calls you out on? |
Shut your fat ing face, you harebrained disgrace.
Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by a person.
The Christian understanding of apostasy is "a willful falling away from, or rebellion against, Christian truth."
Apostasy is generally not a self-definition: very few former believers call themselves apostates because of the pejorative implications of the term.
According to B. J. Oropeza, the warning passages in the New Testament describe at least three dangers which could lead a Christian to commit apostasy:[4]
Temptations: Christians were tempted to engage in various vices that were a part of their lives before they became Christians (idolatry, sexual immorality, covetousness, etc.).
Deceptions: Christians encountered various heresies and false teachings spread by false teachers and prophets that threatened to seduce them away from their pure devotion to Christ.
Persecutions: Christians were persecuted by the governing powers of the day for their allegiance to Christ. Many Christians were threatened with certain death if they would not deny Christ.
Mark 4-5 Again Jesus began to teach by the lake. The crowd that gathered around him was so large that he got into a boat and sat in it out on the lake, while all the people were along the shore at the water’s edge. 2 He taught them many things by parables, and in his teaching said: 3 “Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, some multiplying thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times.”
9 Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that,
“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’[a]”
13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?" |
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