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| ti_gui909 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kev Boy
I've read here, that Sasah plays the same set mostly, and this is Mr Ableton! I thought the point of ableton was for creativity??? |
Sasha might play similar songs from set to set but he still makes it different using Ableton. The set he played in Montreal last june is very similar to the one he played @ Lush when you compare the songs he played but it's still a very different set if you pay attention to the details incoporated by ableton.
Anyway I think it's normal for a touring DJ to play similar song since he's playing for a different crowd everynight. |
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| TaylorR |
For me personally, DJing is an art and is for many of u on here. I dj with both Vinyl and CD because CDs are starting to become more frequent with today's track releases. The best of both worlds i guess. CDs aren't a bad thing but transtioning completely to CD isn't in my boat. With digital, it takes the whole art form away. U can just keep those time-coded records or CDs on the whole time and never change them the entire set. It loses the feel. You don't even need the information laptops show about each track to mix anyways. Why use it besides the fact that it can carry a crap load of MP3 files. do they really need that much? Keep it real, dont lose the art form on which DJing orginated from. As far as ableton, i'd say keep it to productions if your a DJ. I can see it being used live if someone was collaborating with a band or something along those lines but not for DJing. When people think of DJing, they think of turntables with a mixer in between them with a DJ having a crate of vinyl near him mixin his/her tunes. They can also think about CDJ since that has been around for quite some time but the people who go to clubs would be really surprised when they see some dude looking at a computer screen the whole time and not change a single record or cd. And also not using headphones for most of the time (**cough cough sasha**). I am also about a live DJ set being mostly about the music and track selection. if that is good then u can look past some off beat notices as long as it doesn't happen a lot. But seeing some dude using a computer with some external interface really has brought down the whole DJing industry and what it used to be.
Seriously, go out into the public and ask people what people think of when they hear the word "DJ". U would hardly find an answer that has the word "computer" in it. KEEP IT REAL PEOPLE, KEEP IT TO WHAT DJING IS ALL ABOUT.
**DJ is an acronym for DISC Jockey....DISC!!!!. cd: understandable. Computer with ableton: not.
Sorry, im against Digital. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ti_gui909
Sasha might play similar songs from set to set but he still makes it different using Ableton. The set he played in Montreal last june is very similar to the one he played @ Lush when you compare the songs he played but it's still a very different set if you pay attention to the details incoporated by ableton.
Anyway I think it's normal for a touring DJ to play similar song since he's playing for a different crowd everynight. |
Yes they do tend to play similar tracks if not the same, well some of them anyway.
Sasha is one of the guys who was known to play pretty much the same set for a month even with vinyl. Which in my mind isn't really what it's about either but that's a different story.
But for the people who see a DJ twice in a shorter period of time, if the only thing they are going to have to differenciate between the two sets is what effects he used then something is seriously wrong. Mixing is about stringing tunes together well but DJing is about giving people the tune of the moment! Sadly something that seems to be getting lost in this Ableton wave.
Regretably as we see it we may be seeing the death of DJing as well as vinyl.
Ableton is a good tool, but I feel that many of the bedroom DJs can't see past being able to do a flawless mix and and effects, and as I have said, mixing is secondary to being a good DJ.
Admittedly, we don't go to a club to see some guy in headphones but we do want a good vibe and someone who is actually paying attention to what they are doing as well as paying attention to the clubber.
Besides if you want to do clever stuff live, get a friend get 4 CDJs and a few effects boxes, learn to beat juggle and do it that way. The end result would be much more fun to see than some geek on a laptop. If you had a duo that could produce something exciting people would be more interested in paying to see it too. A group of turntablists can produce some wicked results far more intersting than something from Ableton.
Cheers
Nem |
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| deejayle |
| STEREO VS VINLY? |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by deejayle
STEREO VS VINLY? |
Eh? |
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| Freak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Eh? |
he said:
tiP ehT fO mottoB
:toothless :clown: :disbelief |
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| Kev Boy |
Totally agree with you guys. The only aim a DJ should have is to give the crowd a good night, that is there sole purpose. It dosen't matter how they do it, but the art of reading the crowd is the most important thing and hence what tune comes next. If the mixing isn't perfect then so what? 90% of people don't even notice. My fav DJ is Oakenfold, I've heard him being slagged for not being a great mixer but he always plays some amazing tunes, and you are guaranteed a good time. I want to be excited when i go out, not go "hmm, some perfectly phrased mixing here and nice flange effect".
If someone is on tour then I can understand a similar set most of the time, but then they are not really reading the crowd are they? But if they are using a laptop with 50 million zillion tunes to pick from, then there is no excuse! They can play anything they want, quickly, (as we are always told Abletons possibilities are endless)so why do they play the same set??? Laziness? Do they actually care? Living on past glories? |
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| missbliss |
I agree with you guys too.
Ableton is great for producing and alterning some tracks, but as far as true DJ talent goes - it will always be in the discs, cds or records. Technology will NEVER take out the discs in disc jockeying, it will just become some 'other' kinf of 'performance' that no doubt will be much less respected that true DJ'n. I have no problem with CDs over Vinyl, as long as there's a combination and working knowledge of both.
Cheers.
Jessie |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Freak
he said:
tiP ehT fO mottoB
:toothless :clown: :disbelief |
Where the hell are you by the way, to be lost in the Atlantic? :D
Cheers
Nem |
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| Djyoungsta00 |
me im a man who likes to use software,cds & vinyl
software would have to be Traktor or ableton live
i agee though i think its because they is lazy man look at PVD's set at Dance valley 2005 i think he used the cdjs twice in his full set & did'nt play one vinyl he used to apple laptops which was connected to the final scratch unit no wonder he did'nt make a mistake you cant with final scratch u can set it up to do auto BPM and Oh my god the software is realy accurate no joke! i have traktor & ableton live.i have not try'd to dj wid ableton yet whats it like? i know DJ Sasha used it in all his sets so far this year. |
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| ti_gui909 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Mixing is about stringing tunes together well but DJing is about giving people the tune of the moment! Sadly something that seems to be getting lost in this Ableton wave.
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I agree with you DJing should be about feeling the crowd and feeding it what it starves for !!! When a DJ uses Ableton and plays the same tune at each set it becomes a performance, an act, wich is also very good, only different. |
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| Axolotyl |
Its a pointless debate anyway. As everyone knows, real DJs use casette decks.
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