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Vinyls vs. CDs (pg. 45)
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| Freak |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
Where the did you get this statement from?? This is such a scam for them to even suggest the things they do in the second paragraph as even remotely being corect. Submitting a playlist for sets by some hack who uses a download services isn't going to get him off the hook from performances royalty fees when from what I have read in other "sections of" some of these download site providers terms of service agreements clearly stating that the tracks obtained off the site through the service are not licensed for public performance or broadcast.
I would really be interested to know where that came from. Please get me the link to what provider is saying that. |
Traxsource
I havent found a digital downloader provider that doesnt permit public performance-which lets remember is the whole point of these legal download sites.In any case, even if they didnt, the licence the venue has would cover it for public performance.
I think what it refers to is that when required to do so, they must disclose it to the royalities people. No different to how the situation currently is.
The point of me posting that was to show how wrong and contradictory to statements like the above extract the PRS/PPL are being at the moment by falsely telling people that playing out downloads is illegal. |
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| djlithium |
| Beatport had information contrary to what you are saying about 6 months ago posted on their site in the terms of service agreement area. This must have changed. |
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| Cyberjoi |
More music comes out on vinyl than on CD. So I prefer vinyl.
Vinyl for live!!!!!!! |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
Seeing a waveform of what an audio signal does in this way of displaying it has nothing to do with the musical structure of a track where you can gleen anything out of it quickly and accurrately. It is indeed too much information. |
Actually, I'm with tvmann on this one. Not that I'm keen on computer software for spinning but that wave in grey actually tells me more about the track than reading the grooves on a record ever could. And I don't think it's too much information either as it's pretty simple to see what you need to.
Personally I don't really read the records anymore, I just tend to know the tunes anyway. Music memory is far more useful when DJing than reading a record ever could be as you know exactly what's going to happen rather than making a calculated guess because at best that is what reading a wave or a record really is.
I'm hoping that DJing with laptops wont catch on but as for CDs I think that they are here to stay like it or not.
Download sites are ofcourse going to adapt their licenses to the need of their audience even if it's at some extra cost. You are able to play legaly dowloaded music just as you are a CD. If you will notice that even bought vinyl usually has no unauthorised public performance permited printed somewhere on the sleeve. This usually refers to the licence of the venue i.e. does it exist or not.
You also need to be a bit more 'matter of fact' because frankly speaking when you post, a lot of times there are things in there that are worth reading but it gets lost with the condesending manner in which you state your arguements.
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
"when mixing thinking of the mext 2-3 tracks, not just the next one coming up, its about using certain melodies to counter or complement others from track to track, creativity (and when youre using vinyl your mixes are already limited before you even start!) and originality its about teasing the listener, using some bass oriented tracks a certain way and using synth oriented tracks a certain way in a good set."
Ok see you obviously don't have a ing CLUE as to what you are talking about because any REAL DJ who PLAYS RECORDS. KNOWS. THAT. THIS. IS. HOW. PHRASE. MIXING. BECOMES. REALITY. AND. WHY. VINYL. IS. BETTER.
The damd grooves on the records in the form of the lighter and darker bands ARE the visual reference to the musical mathematics you moron. YOU DON'T GET THAT WITH ANY KIND OF DIGITAL SYSTEM. EVER.
And as a result all these so-called top jocks are starting to really ing suck it when they play and all these new twits fail to understand how this mathematical formula works (which cannot be ed with regardless of who you think you might think you are or who you might know who might be in the know) and are effectively DJING DEAF AND BLIND. It's like reading sheet music guys and building lego at the same time. You can't do it with invisible ink on the paper while forcing the blocks together at an angle. It just doesn't ing work.
You YES YOU, sufee_b have been disqualified from participating in any further discussion about this because you stuffed your foot in your mouth and I just put it further in so you would know that you did just that.
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You ARE THE IDIOT DUMBASS!! YOU QUOTED SOMETHING AND DIDNT EVEN DIRETCLY REFER TO ANYTHING YOU IDIOT. I HAVE DISQUALIFIED YOU DUMBASS! WHEN MIXING WITH VINYL YOURE MIXES ARE ALREADY LIMITED BEFORE YOU EVEN START YOU RETARD...UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR MIXES TO SOUND LIKE ... :crazy:
DO I CLAIM TO BE THE BEST DJ...NOPE NOT AT ALL...THATS NOT WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING..BUT I CAN RECOGNIZE THE GOOD ONES BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING AND I HAVE BEEN AROUND MANY OF THE TOP TALENTS AROUND THE WORLD...AND MOST WOULD AGREE ONE THING...WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE A MEDIAN WHEN YOU ARE LIMITED BEFORE YOU EVEN START...UNLES YOU HAVE ALREADY INVESTED TIME MONEY AND EFFORT AND SOMETIMES A REP AT WHAT YOU ALREADY DO AND WOULD SUFFER FROM CHANGE FOR SOME REASON |
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by tvmann
You are wrong about that. Computer software such as Ableton & Traktor show you what the music is doing, visually. In fact the visual information is far more detailed than what is possible with a vinyl record. Here is an example from Traktor:
Lithium, on another topic, in many of your posts you resort to using insulting names when talking to or about anyone who uses digital methods, or anyone who does not agree with you. That's really low and no way to have a debate or discussion. |
Thanka you..i had to answer him harshly in return |
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| ti_gui909 |
The only argument in favor of vynil is the fact that they do sound better (although it's almost impossible to tell the difference when the music is blast) they are also fun to use since you can touch the music and doesn't have a digital interface between you and the track.
But outside of that i found it very amusing to see some people argue that DJing is an art while they're sticking with vinyl wich limit DJing to playing the music that other real artists made while all they do is beatmatching and layering some part of a song. Wow this is so ing unimpressive.
An artist is a creator.
The only way to be really creative while DJing is by incorporating digital technology in your mix.Wheter it's by using something like Ableton live or by editing your own version of a song (or creating an original song) and burning it on CD to use it in your next mix. Now that's being creative and innovative. |
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| ti_gui909 |
I would add that the most important thing is the result.
The role of a DJ is to provide music for a party.
Whether it's from CD's or vynil it's the public who make or break the greatness of a DJ.
And i think that offering a unique sound is whatmakes a great DJ, and to be unique you can't be limited by the boundaries of one medium like vynils. |
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| Axolotyl |
Artist creates track on digital. Track is mastered on digital. Master is written to digital format. Final written version is either burnt onto digital and played on digital decks or simply played from digital source ie: laptop.
And because the digital isnt turned into a bit of plastic and played on an analogue turntable right at the very end of this long digital processs people complain and say it isnt 'real'
LoL... such a wank... |
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| flowness |
ok wow long thread... so im sure someone said this already BUT:
ive heard some people argue that its easier to beatmach on cds.. ok. i dont think thats true per se, but even if it is: ANYONE can learn how to beatmach with enough practice. playing 2 tracks the same speed is simply a logical mathematical process, and being able to do so does not make one a good DJ. Being a good DJ lies in track selection, being able to read a crowd, and the art of mixing. Mixing does not simply mean playing 2 tracks the same speed. its an art to be able to make 2 tracks overlap and flow continuously with some sort of progression... this is not necessarily something that can be learned by repetitive practice like beatmatching, and definitely not something thats made easier by the type of equipment you use.
besides, for those traditionalists out there who are stuck on the idea of actually physically manipulating a piece of vinyl (which i do enjoy watching although i use cds), theres always the option of FinalScratch. FS is a fantastic way to bridge the gap between digital and analog. It allows analog control of a digital sound source. Basically using your turntables to control an mp3. It allows you to do everything to the digital source that you can do with vinyl. Awesome stuff =] |
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| DJ Damerchi |
hmm...just wondering if ne of u guys use the tempo lock function on ur cd decks to adjust the key into what sounds right. This is just something i recently started doing. Listening to track 1's outro b 4 i beat match i adjust the pitch slider to find a key that will sound good i cand tell this by putting both pfl's on. once i like the key i press the tempo lock button and then use the pitch slider to beat match. It works for me imo. Therfore u can rely on ur ear manually to create harmonic mixes, instead of having to classify each of ur tracks into key.
Another reason y i believe vinyl is old fashioned. CD decks enable for bmp to decrease and increase, and it will remain in the same key. FOr example u wont get a chipunk effect if ur bmp is increased heavily if tempo locked. (THis means it is in the same key, but the speed is increased heavily)
John O Callahan even says vinyl is over, and the djs of tommorow are all using cd turntables lets face the facts. |
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by flowness
ok wow long thread... so im sure someone said this already BUT:
ive heard some people argue that its easier to beatmach on cds.. ok. i dont think thats true per se, but even if it is: ANYONE can learn how to beatmach with enough practice. playing 2 tracks the same speed is simply a logical mathematical process, and being able to do so does not make one a good DJ. Being a good DJ lies in track selection, being able to read a crowd, and the art of mixing. Mixing does not simply mean playing 2 tracks the same speed. its an art to be able to make 2 tracks overlap and flow continuously with some sort of progression... this is not necessarily something that can be learned by repetitive practice like beatmatching, and definitely not something thats made easier by the type of equipment you use. Awesome stuff =] |
I don't have hardware yet, but I've heard it was easier to cue a cd rather than beatmach because the sensitivity of the pitch slider is more obvious to the ears than on a turntable. |
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