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Keyed tunes for Harmonic mixers (pg. 3)
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| IKKI-ZUVK |
Gotcha .
Thank you
| quote: | Originally posted by TiksA
Sure thing...
A key in music is a bunch of musical notes that go well together. A note is like C Major or C Minor, you must of heard of them in grade one right? :D
When mixing a new song into an already running song, notes from the same key usually (not always) go well together and sound good as they blend aka harmonic mix.
You know that two songs don't together when an newbie DJ (or a pro sometimes) tries to blend two songs together and it doesn't sound right even if its beatmatched and EQed or filtered right.
You gotta be carefull however, increasing the speed (pitch) of the song by more then +/-3% will make a difference and I think +/-6% will be the next key up or down.
There is more info, like Camelot's Easymix System and mixing so the enegry always seems to be increasing by going one note up on your next mix but you can find more info on that as you learn. For eg going from Cm to C#m or from Em to Fm will seem like your building up the set/tempo when infact you just increased the enegry by going one key up.
Hope that helps.
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| DJ Nuclear |
Don't trust mixmeister (which nemesis is using to key the songs) to give you the right scales either...I see a lot up there that are major but are listed as the conjugate minor ones.
A scale is a bunch of musical notes that go together by interval (interval being, the distance between notes). There is a different scale for every key, but they all have the same intervals (thus, sounding the same, just modulated up or down a few notes).
The key of a song is usually, but not necessarily, the first note of the song. The exception is when someone uses all the notes of a scale for a given key, but does not start it with that note.
Mixing by a standard chord progression will make things nice if you can work it well enough, but this is impossible to do live, and you need more theory yet to understand that, which I won't get into. :)
And by the way...going from C minor to C# minor or E minor to F minor will sound like *ass*. If you want to know what notes with function best together, learn your musical scales. What's the best way to learn the scales? Buy a keyboard, go to a website that explains the notes for all of them, and then practice a lot on your keyboard, going up and down the entire thing for each scale. Tedious work, but it really helps you memorize them (plus helps a lot with your ability to play piano, too!)
Remember: +6 is roughly equal to one semitone, so modify accordingly when mixing. Going beyond +/- 1% of a semitone will start to make the mix sound very bad harmonically, so try to avoid that. |
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| RobEnergy |
do you guys actually remember the harmonics of each song?
i wouldn't thats for sure :)
+ it requires way too much brain cells :D |
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| DJ 2Slow |
Someone should start a database website for this, its good stuff. How are you getting the key for thease mixes? Running your mixer into your cromatic tuner? I dont have a cromatic tuner, just a regular one, does anyone know of a good program for the computer that does cromatic tuning? I can run the TT's right into my 828 and into the laptop. I'll key my tunes and post them up here.
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| dJohn |
Im not sure if I'm harmonically mixing correctly, but I've been practicing harmonic mixing for the past few sessions and, from reference, it sounds awesome and makes your mixing alot more fun to do...you feel a renewed sense of energy mixing from key to key, and it truly feels like your sets go up and down in accordance to the variancen with the key.
The best way, I found, to mix in key is just to do it by ear...start off with some records that you feel comfortable with, and begin with a 1 record transition...see how that sounds, and keep at it. Then try to spin a whole set while keeping the key intact. You'll notice after a few tries that you will be able to understand what harmonic mixing is about.
Thanks for all the info...kepp it posted! |
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| DJ Nuclear |
| quote: | Originally posted by dJohn
Im not sure if I'm harmonically mixing correctly, but I've been practicing harmonic mixing for the past few sessions and, from reference, it sounds awesome and makes your mixing alot more fun to do...you feel a renewed sense of energy mixing from key to key, and it truly feels like your sets go up and down in accordance to the variancen with the key.
The best way, I found, to mix in key is just to do it by ear...start off with some records that you feel comfortable with, and begin with a 1 record transition...see how that sounds, and keep at it. Then try to spin a whole set while keeping the key intact. You'll notice after a few tries that you will be able to understand what harmonic mixing is about.
Thanks for all the info...kepp it posted! |
Keeping the key intact would basically make the entire mix sound the same, and very boring...It's the key variation that brings movement to your mix. |
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| Wretched |
Newbie question(s):
Is it important to try and mix by key when DJ'ing, or is just something that some DJ's prefer?
Do major DJ's (Armin/Tiesto/PvD/Oakenfold/etc) try to mix in key? |
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| dJohn |
| Yeah..thats what makes them good, not to mention their track selection |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Nuclear
Don't trust mixmeister (which nemesis is using to key the songs) |
DJ Nuclear
Actually Nemesis is a musician and producer and doens't need software to do this... Not sure where you got that info from but it's wrong. Very wrong indeed.
With regards to conjugate minors, I am genuinely interested if you could give an example. Rather than challenging you I actually see this as an oportunity for me to learn something so would be greatful. :)
Agree with you on the rest of your post though.
With regards to using sorftware to do this, I would actually recomend learning a little about music rather than relying on electronics to do this for you. I think you and I share the same opinion on that?
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| Nemesis44 |
Just for the record. I key all these tunes manually using either a Ibanez guitar or a Korg keyboard (depending on mood). To be honest, it wasn't actually until I logged onto this forum that I heard of Mixmiester (or what ever it's called).
However, just like the rest of you wonderful human beings I am also prone to the occasional error ;)
Two new additions to the list this morning.
Bm (10A) Motorcycle - As the rush comes (Both Gabriel and Dresden and Armin van Buuren mixes are in same key)
Cm (5A) DJ Kim - Time and Space (Alphazone Remix)
I am working on a more indepth guide to some of the finer points of harmonic mixing which I will put here for people to read, post comments etc. as promised.
Here is the revised list
Fm (4A) ? - For an Angel Bootleg (S.H.O.K.K. style remake of the PvD classic)
A#m (3A) ? - Veracocha (Ferry Corsten Whitelabel Bootleg)
D#m (2A) 4 Strings - (Take me away) Into the Night (Original Mix)
Cm (5A) Airscape - L'esperanza (Original Mix)
Cm (5A) Akusmata x-perience - Tokyo (Original)
Bm (10A) Alphazone - Rockin' (Original Club Mix)
D#m (2A) Andian - Summber Calling (Airwave Club Remix)
Am (8A) Andora - Melody (Original)
Cm (5A) Apotygma Berzerk - Kathy's Song (Matt Silver vs Tony Burt Remix)
Gm (6A) Ascension feat. Erin Lordan - For a lifetime (Ocean Lab Mix)
Am (8A) Ayla - Ayla (DJ Tandu Remix)
A#m (3A) Ayu - M (Above and Beyond Typhoon Dub Mix)
F#m (11A) Baby Doc - La Batteria (The Drum Track)
Dm (7A) Baby Doc and Jon the Dentist - Mantra to the Buddha 2003 (Mark Kavanagh's baby doll Remix)
Dm (7A) BBE - Desire (Age of club mix)
Gm (6A) Bedrock - Heaven Scent (Original Mix)
A#m (3A) Benny Benassi - Satisfaction (Isak Original)
G#m (1A) Big Fat - Discogogo (Original Mix)
F#m (11A) Billy Daniel Bunter & Jon Doe - Round and Round (Original Mix)
Dm (7A) Blank & Jones - Coming to life
A#m (3A) Blank & Jones - Cream (Long version)
Dm (7A) Blank & Jones - It's Alright
Cm (5A) Bobby V - Energy (Espuma Phuture Club Mix)
Cm (5A) Brainbug - Nightmare (Sinister Strings mix)
D#m (2A) Cern - The Message (Northern Mix)
Fm (4A) Chicane - Saltwater (Original Mix)
Gm (6A) Citizen Caned - The Journey (Original)
Cm (5A) CK2 - Rushin (Kernzy & Klemenza Remix)
A#m (3A) Clokx - Clocks (Ron van den Beuken Remix)
Gm (6A) Co-Fusion - Hot Hot
F#m (11A) Cosmic Gate - Human Beings (Extended Remix)
G#m (1A) Cosmicman - I love you (Original Mix)
Gm (6A) D.A.V.E. The Drummer - Bedroom Jazz Tangle
F#m (11A) D.J. Ricky T. - Platinum (Luca Antolini DJ Remix)
Dm (7A) Da Hool - Meet her at the love parade (Nalin and Kane mix)
C#m (12A) Dark Monks - Insane (DJ Shah Remix)
Am (8A) Dark Suite Feat. Aura - Dark Sweet Piano (Frank Trax vs Organ Mix)
F#m (11A) Darren Tate vs Mike Koglin - Now is the time (Original Club mix)
Em (9A) Darude - Sandstorm (Original Mix)
Cm (5A) Dave Devil - Mind Opening (Original Mix)
Am (8A) Dave Joy - Second Chase (Original Mix)
G#m (1A) David Forbes - Simpatico (Original Mix)
C#m (12A) DB Boulevard - Point of view (Hard Option Remix)
Dm (7A) Decoy & Roy - Inner Life (Eject Remix)
D#m (2A) Delusion - Like this
Fm (4A) Digital Blonde - Mooga (Original Mix)
Am (8A) Digital Pressure - Aftershock (Alphazone Remix)
F#m (11A) Dirt Devils - The Drill (Evacuation Mix)
Fm (4A) DJ Choose presents That Mucho - Release Me
Cm (5A) DJ Kim - Time and Space (Alphazone Remix)
Bm (10A) DJ Quicksilver - Bingo Bongo (Club Mix)
D#m (2A) DJ Sakin & Friends - Nomansland 'David's Song' (Lange Remix)
Am (8A) DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry (Original Mix)
Cm (5A) DJ Tiesto - Obsession (Filterheadz Remix)
Am (8A) DJ Ton T.B. - Electronic Malfunction (DJ Cor Fijneman's Outstanding Remix)
Gm (6A) DK - Murder was the Bass (Reworked) TUNE!!!!!!!!!!
Cm (5A) Dogzilla - Dogzilla (Simon Patterson & Richie Kayvan Mix)
Gm (6A) Drugface - master (DJ the Crow Remix)
Em (9A) DT8 Feat. Roxanne Wilde - Destination (BK Remix)
Fm (4A) Dutch Courage - The World (That Mucho Remix)
Fm (4A) Echoten - Liftin' me up (Pulser Remix)
Em (9A) Electric Kid (aka M.I.K.E.) vs Fred Backer - Now or never (Original Mix)
Fm (4A) Electrique Boutique Feat. Taz - Heal (Vocal Mix)
Am (8A) Endyminion - Running Again (Mat Silver vs Tony Burt Remix)
Fm (4A) Energy 52 - Café Del Mar '98 (Original Three 'n one mix)
Am (8A) Euphonic - Asia
Cm (5A) Euphonic - State of Evolution 'Original'
Fm (4A) Fatboy Slim - Star 69
Gm (6A) Floyd - 4 Ever (Abel Ramos Remix)
Em (9A) Flutlicht - The Fall (Marc Dawn Remix)
Em (9A) Flutlicht - The Fall (Original Mix)
Em (9A) Fridge - Angel (Club Mix)
G#m (12A) GY-RO - Tomahawk
Bm (10A) Hemstock & Jennings - Mirage 'of hope' (Lange Remix)
Bm (10A) Hiroshi Okada - Beyond the Green (DJ Hinx Original)
D#m (2A) Human Evolution - Project Magenta (One Giant Leap for mankind mix)
Am (8A) Igor S - Boomerang (Igor S mix)
D#m (2A) Informers - Dawn of Mankind
G#m (1A) Ingo vs Daz - Tranceptor
D#m (2A) Insigma - Open your eyes (Original Club Mix)
Am (8A) Inzite - Everest
Fm (4A) Inzite - Spellbound
Fm (4A) Jefferseiff - Take me on (Southside Spinners RMX)
D#m (2A) Jens - Psycho Strings (Jens 99 Remix)
Em (9A) Jezper Söderlund - Angel (Bravo & Priest Mix)
Fm (4A) Jon the Dentist - Mercury (Push Harder Mix)
C#m (12A) Joy Kitikonti - Joydontstop (Freaky Mix)
Cm (5A) K2 - Binary Finary (Single sided bootleg)
Bm (10A) Kernkraft 400 - Zombie Nation (Dave Clarke Remix)
Am (8A) Liquinoid - Substance (Original)
Cm (5A) Lost Angels - Storm of trance (Backslash and Procell mix)
D#m (2A) Lost Witness - Happiness Happening (Lange Remix)
Em (9A) Lovechild - Liberta (Moonman Remix)
A#m (3A) M.I.K.E. vs John '00' Flemming - Ice Cream (Original Mix)
Cm (5A) M.O.R.P.H. - Creatures (G&M Project Remix)
Dm (7A) Mac J - Perfect Blend (Rank 1 Remix)
Em (9A) Magic Alec vs Jay Griffin - The key (Original Mix)
Em (9A) Magnum Force - Blow the Bloody Doors Off (Cool acid techno track using cool sample from the film 'The Italian Job')
Fm (4A) Marc Dawn - Expander (Flutlicht Remix)
Am (8A) Marc et Claude - Tremble (Ltd Remix part 2)
Em (9A) Marcel Woods - Serenity (Original Mix)
A#m (3A) Marco V - Godd (Original)
Gm (6A) Marcos - Red Bullet (Marcos Mix)
Dm (7A) Marcos - Sunfire (Original Mix)
Gm (6A) Mario Piu & Mauro Picotto - Arabian Pleasure (Tuareg Mix)
Fm (4A) Mat Silver - Unique
D#m (2A) Mat Silver vs Tony Burt - Teardrops (S.H.O.K.K. Remix)
F#m (11A) Mat Silver vs Tony Burt - Ultimate Wave (Alphazone Remix)
F#m (11A) Matt Darey - Electro Buzz
Dm (7A) Mauro Picotto - Back to Cali (Push Remix)
G#m (1A) Mauro Picotto - Pulsar 2002 (Picotto Verdi Mix)
A#m (3A) Max Savietto - Alone (Original)
Gm (6A) Melodica - Tornado (Original Mix)
Cm (5A) Michael Splint pres Eruption - I feel free (DJ Choose & F's That mucho remix)
Em (9A) Milanel - Unravel (D.A.V.E. the Drummer Remix)
Em (9A) Minimalistix - Magic Fly (Nord vs Bonka Remix)
Bm (10A) Motorcycle - As the rush comes (Both Gabriel and Dresden and Armin van Buuren mixes are in same key)
D#m (2A) Mr Sam vs Fred Baker - Forever Waiting (M.I.K.E. Remix)
F#m (11A) MTW - Follow the Dream
Cm (5A) Mundane Men - Joy (Instrumental)
Cm (5A) Mythos n' Watergate - A never ending dream (Hennes & Cold Remix)
D#m (2A) Nalin and Kane - Beachball (Tall Paul Remix)
Cm (5A) Naxos Project - Our Time (Digital Pressure Remix)
Gm (6A) NBG - Universal Love (CJ Stone Remix)
Em (9A) Neo & Farina - Wav Assasin (Original Mix)
Gm (6A) N-Fluence - Sweet Substance (Original)
Cm (5A) Nick Rafferty & Paul Kershaw - Every single Sound (Original Mix)
Cm (5A) Nick Rowland & Dave Wright - Silverspeed (God's Child)
A#m (3A) Nigel Gee - Hootin' (Ariels Paradise Factory Mix)
Cm (5A) Nitromothane - Time to die (Seraque Remix)
D#m (2A) Nivago - I feel free (Niels van Gogh Remix)
Bm (10A) Norman Bass - How you like bass (Warp Brothers Club mix)
Am (8A) Ocean Force - Euphonic Dream (Free Radical Remix)
A#m (3A) P.K. - Insomniacs
G# (4B) Paffendorf - Be Cool (Original Mix)
Fm (4A) Para X - Skytunes (Instrumental Club Mix)
Gm (6A) Phat Bloke & Slim - Primary (Trance Mix)
A#m (3A) Planet Perfecto - Bullet in the gun (Saturday Mix)
D#m (2A) Plastic Boy - Live another life
Dm (7A) PPK - Resurection (Space Club Mix)
Fm (4A) Progresia - Stockholm (Martin Eyerer & Hiroshi Okada Remix)
G#m (1A) Public Domain - Operation Blade (Original Mix)
D#m (2A) Pulser - My religion (Original Mix)
Bm (10A) Push - Journey of Life (Rank 1 Remix)
Bm (10A) Push - Strangeworld (2000 Remake)
G#m (1A) Push vs Globe - Tranceformation
Am (8A) Queen + Vanguard - Flash (Tomcraft Remix)
C#m (12A) Queen's Jewels - Don't stop me (Single sided test pressing)
Am (8A) Rapid Eye - Circa Forever (Free radical Remix)
Bm (10A) Red Alien feat. Afrika Islam - Red Alien (DJ Evolution Mix)
C#m (12A) Riley & Durrant - Candesco (Wavestorm Remix)
G#m (1A) Ron van den Beuken - Timeless (Ron van den Beuken Remix)
G#m (1A) Ronski Speed - Iris (Original Mix)
Cm (5A) Saltwater - The Legacy (Alphazone Mix)
Gm (6A) Sander Kleinenberg - Observator
Gm (6A) Sander Kleinenberg - Slipper Sleaze
A#m (3A) Sander Kleinenberg - Sound Family (Is all I need)
Em (9A) Sander Kleinenberg - Venus & Mars
Cm (5A) Sandra Flyn - Do it right (Original Mix)
Em (9A) Sasha - Bellfunk
C# (3B) Sasha - Rabbitweed
Gm (6A) Sasha - Xpander
A#m (3A) Sasha/Emerson - Scorshio (Full Length Version)
Am (8A) Scott Mac - Damager 02
G#m (1A) Sensation - The Anthem 2003 (Original Mix)
Am (8A) Shane 54 - Equinoxe 4 (Martin Eyerer Remix)
Am (8A) Sister Bliss - Deliver Me (Mix 1)
Em (9A) Size Triple D - No one listens to techno
D#m (2A) SMF aka Smurref - Madness (Original)
G#m (1A) Space Planet - Sentence of Eternity (Acid Mix)
A#m (3A) Spider - Striker (Original mix)
Dm (7A) Stimulant DJs - Legitimate Sounds (Paul Maddox Remix)
Am (8A) Storm - Love is here to stay (Blank & Jones Remix)
Dm (7A) Storm - Time to Burn (Original Mix)
Fm (4A) Su Real - Always on my mind (12" Vocal Mix)
Bm (10A) System F - Spaceman (Extended Mix)
A#m (3A) TDR 01 - ? Big Dutch Trancer (If anyone recognises that promo code and knows what the name of this tune send me a PM as I would love to know.)
Dm (7A) The Digital Blonde - Noctone
D#m (2A) The Moon feat Nu NRG - The Moon Loves the Sun
Cm (5A) The Mystery - Feel 4 You (Dub Mix)
A#m (3A) The Sunseeker - Oasis 2003 (Mind X vs Stenzel Original)
D#m (2A) Todd Tobias - Brave New World (K90 Mix)
C#m (12A) Tomcraft - Loneliness (Klub Mix)
Bm (10A) Trancesetters - Roaches (Bugs in Slacker's Basement Remix)
Em (9A) Tukan - Light a rainbow (Green Court Mix)
F#m (11A) Unknown Source - Nadjanema (Fire & Ice remix)
Gm (6A) Utah Saints - Lost Vagueness (Oliver Leib's Main Mix)
C#m (12A) Visionaire - Body Fever
G#m (1A) Walt & Feliz - Endless (Original)
C#m (12A) Wellenrausch - On the run (TMT Mix)
D#m (2A) William Orbit - Adagio for Strings (Ferry Corsten Remix)
A#m (3A) Yoji Biomehanika - Bangin' Globe (Ferry Corsten Remix)
Fm (4A) Yomanda - Free (Syth Mix)
Cm (5A) Yves Deruyter - Spiritual Feeling (Remix)
D#m (2A) Yves Deruyter - Y.D.O.T. (Original Mix) |
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| DJ Nuclear |
Nemesis -- I am fairly sure clocks is D-sharp major (with a few accidentals), and scorchio is also major.
Every major key has a conjugate minor. The easiest one of these to know is C major and A minor. The entire C major scale is white keys; same with A minor. For every major scale that exists, a minor one using the exact same keys but beginning at a different interval exists.
Many guitar players do not seem to know this for some reason...
here is the whole list of conjugates
minor Major
A C
A# C#
Bb Db
B D
C Eb
C# E
D F
D# F#
Eb Gb
E G
F Ab
F# A
G Bb
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| sebjr |
| quote: | Originally posted by montie
i'm no expert. but i think when you want to step up the emotion and energy of a mix, you would mix in your next song which is in a compatible key with the song being played and which is higher. the opposite is true for stepping down the energy |
sounds like a good theory |
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