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Keyed tunes for Harmonic mixers (pg. 68)
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| Camelot_Sound |
| No, harmonic mixing into the -1 to +1 keycode range (including relative major/minor mixes, such as 1A to 1B) does NOT raise the energy. Instead, it allows a smooth seamless match when you seque melody or mash-up. Modulation mixing +2 or +7 allows for abrupt changes that may increase energy, but they do NOT provide for smooth melodic transitions. |
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| starboy |
| i thought +2 -2 was no good no matter how you switch frequencies etc... |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Camelot_Sound
No, harmonic mixing into the -1 to +1 keycode range (including relative major/minor mixes, such as 1A to 1B) does NOT raise the energy. Instead, it allows a smooth seamless match when you seque melody or mash-up. Modulation mixing +2 or +7 allows for abrupt changes that may increase energy, but they do NOT provide for smooth melodic transitions. |
Ohh I see Thanks
Well I do mix with harmonics, and I can increase Energy, but mayeb that's not in theory, it's just because one song it's more energetic than the other.
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| Camelot_Sound |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
i thought +2 -2 was no good no matter how you switch frequencies etc... |
+2 and -2 are NOT harmonic mixes. Going +2 (like +7) is a modulation mix. You would make a sudden change between melodies of the outgoing and incoming tracks. Since the musical tones of the incoming melody are higher than the musical tones of the outgoing melody, the net effect is an increase in energy. This is covered in our basic harmonic mixing website as Advanced Technique #2: Modulation Mixes. |
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| starboy |
So you can do +1 +2 +3 +5 +6 +8 then if its a sudden chage? it just doesn't make sense.
I understand the basics +1 -1 +4 -3 +7 etc |
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| Camelot_Sound |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
So you can do +1 +2 +3 +5 +6 +8 then if its a sudden chage? it just doesn't make sense.
I understand the basics +1 -1 +4 -3 +7 etc |
We recognize only five useful combinations out of 12 possible combinations: 0,+1, +2, +7, and +11 (same as -1). Of these five, only 0, +1, and +11 (same as -1) are harmonic, and melodies may be smoothly mixed togeter. +2 and +7 are modulation mixes, and melodies must be changed suddenly to provide a boost in energy. |
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| Nemesis44 |
This is where CS and I differ slightly as I also have the -3 and +4, but what CS is saying is not wrong and if you stick by it you will do smooth harmonic transitions or uplifting modulation mixes.
The -3 and +4 are mixes that I have worked out whilst playing guitar and analysing chords in particular minor chords but also other chords too. It's all based on music theory so there is logic there.
With the latter types you have to get a feel for the music a little too if it will work as there is not written rule that says you will be able to do that.
A DJ set does need modulation mixes too otherwise it will sound quite flat.
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| airmartin |
Would you only have to work the wheel of harmonics if your mixing melodies? I know drumbeats is boring and predictiable but does the harmonic wheel apply to them?
Does this also mean that during mixing your limtited to what's compatiable with the track playing, unless you work the pitch within reason? |
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| airmartin |
Also I know this is out on the limb here, but having an experiment here, say I wish to mix to tracks which key up at 10A and 3A on the scale.......if I put 3A up by 6% it goes up to 10A on the wheel, correct?
Ok whilst doing this the BPM are going to change, so if I were to re-pitch the track in Ableton.....render that....then load it back into Ableton and warp it 'complex' it would essentially be in key 10A but down in BPM, kinda' hard to explain but wonderin' if that would work? |
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| Camelot_Sound |
| quote: | Originally posted by airmartin
Also I know this is out on the limb here, but having an experiment here, say I wish to mix to tracks which key up at 10A and 3A on the scale.......if I put 3A up by 6% it goes up to 10A on the wheel, correct?
Ok whilst doing this the BPM are going to change, so if I were to re-pitch the track in Ableton.....render that....then load it back into Ableton and warp it 'complex' it would essentially be in key 10A but down in BPM, kinda' hard to explain but wonderin' if that would work? |
To answer your earlier question first: Most percussion is essentially neutral musically, which means that drum beats will normally mix well with any key. This is the reason remix services use "free beats" for intro and outro segments. When melodies are harmonically incompatible, then using free beats is your best choice.
Regarding the 3A/10A situation: Some key controllers, such as Mixmeister, allows you to adjust key independently from speed. You could then increase the key of the 3A track up one semitone (6%) to create a 10A track at the same speed. Key controllers always have side effects, however, so using naturally compatible tracks is usually preferable to forcing key changes electronically. |
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| 996vtwin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Camelot_Sound
To answer your earlier question first: Most percussion is essentially neutral musically, which means that drum beats will normally mix well with any key. This is the reason remix services use "free beats" for intro and outro segments. When melodies are harmonically incompatible, then using free beats is your best choice.
Regarding the 3A/10A situation: Some key controllers, such as Mixmeister, allows you to adjust key independently from speed. You could then increase the key of the 3A track up one semitone (6%) to create a 10A track at the same speed. Key controllers always have side effects, however, so using naturally compatible tracks is usually preferable to forcing key changes electronically. |
What is a remix service and what are free beats? Are you saying that if you mix early/late into tracks where only drum beat is then you can disregard mixing in key? |
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| 996vtwin |
| Pinokio what are you using to key your tracks? |
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