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Keyed tunes for Harmonic mixers (pg. 48)
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| DJ Subnautic |
true.
i normally mix between + 2/- 3 semitones change of the original key,
not more because it sounds like crap then. So you have to look after tracks that are not that different.when you have an a-key tune and a f- key tune (4 semitones diff), you have to put a tune between that is g, so that there is'nt a such a big difference anymore.
i now change the key only for the fades, after they are done, i change the key again into it's original. (that's only possible if you know when to change it, you should place the change of key at the right place; at the biginning of phrase or similar) |
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| BshidoHEAT |
| What key is Ferry Corsten - Galaxia in? I searched through this forum didn't find anything. |
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| Laszlo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Vinyls pitched at 0.
If you are using MP3 the original ripper might have pitched them up prior to encoding. |
word of the day :) Don't rely on these keys working on some cheap skanky rips. Although I sure as hell hope that the more serious digital stores can be trusted when it comes to things like this. |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pinokio
Is that in order of Jump in energy or the ones that sounds better.
This Got me confused
Let's Say I have a tune. and the Key is "E", now I don't know if it's sharp, minor , flat or major.
If I go to camelot Sound and let's say I want to mix a good sounding +3 tunes
I will see
12B (E Major) +3 = 3B (D-Flat Major)
5B (E-Flat Major) +3 = 8B (C-Major)
2A (E-Flat Minor) +3 = 5A (C-Minor)
9A (E minor) +3 = 12A (D-Flat Minor)
I noticed there are 2 Main Keys here (D) & (C).
No Let's Assume that the real Key of the tune is (E-Minor), All the results posted above will have a good sound?
I have four options here but If I choose 5A (C-Minor), that would actually be a +8, and I Haven't heard that +8 is a good sounding mix.
Can I mix from E-Minor into D-Flat Major, or into C-Major, or Viceversa from Major to minor? is this good or bad osunding, increasding or decreasing energy?
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Can someone help me here?
thanks |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pinokio
ohh Another Question,
I know that the tunes change their key with the pitch change at about 3% I think, I'm not sure.
Let's assume I have a track at 135 BPM (A-Flat Minor)1A, and at 139 BPM it reaches +3%, that would make the tune be (E-Flat Minor) 2A?,
and at 131 BPM it reaches -3%, That would make the tune be (D-Flat Minor) 12A?
Also I noticed every change in pitch will modify the key of the track so IF I have a tune (A-Flat Minor) 1A at 2.50 %, it would be better to assume that tune is mor enear to be a 2A rather than a 1A?
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Also here.
Thanks =) |
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| BshidoHEAT |
| quote: | Originally posted by BshidoHEAT
What key is Ferry Corsten - Galaxia in? I searched through this forum didn't find anything. |
I'd still like to know :o |
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| spdandpwr |
off mixshare.com
moonman - galaxia (off the very best of ferry corsten album)
Key F |
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| BshidoHEAT |
much apperciated sir
thanks ;) |
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| Camelot_Sound |
The 800 pound gorilla in the DJ equipment industry, Pioneer, has just jumped on the harmonic mixing bandwagon. This is their announcement dated January 24, 2006:
PIONEER’S DJM-800 IS WORLD’S FIRST 96KHZ/24 BIT MIXER THAT CAN HARMONICALLY MIX AND REMIX USING SOUND COLOR EFFECTS
ANAHEIM (January 19, 2006) – The DJM-800 mixer introduced at NAMM today by Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. gives professional DJs the tool they need to expand their musical horizon, with capabilities for mixing records, remixing, producing and performing. Pioneer’s DJ mixers have a reputation for providing high quality audio and reliability. The new DJM-800 incorporates features recommended by many professional DJs and club engineers, raising the bar on sound fidelity and ease of mixer operation. Most important are its high quality 96kHz/24 bit sampling and harmonic mixing capabilities.
High Quality Audio
The analog signal from the player passes through the shortest signal route, first digitized at 96kHz / 24bit through a pro A/D converter where it reaches the digital mixing stage with the best sound possible. The mixing is carried out by 32bit DSP with minimal deterioration of sound quality. A highly rigid chassis minimizes unnecessary vibration, which could adversely affect sound quality. The mixer also incorporates a dual-shield structure for eliminating entry of digital noise and a high performance power supply for noise-free power.
Sound Color Effects For A New Style of DJ Mixing
The world’s first DJ mixer with Auto Harmonic Tuning detects the key of song and automatically corrects it to the closest true key. In music theory terms, when a DJ raises the pitch of a song in the key of C by three percent, the song is no longer in the key of C, but somewhere between C and C sharp. This makes it impossible to perform a perfect harmonic mix. Pioneer’s new Harmonic Tuning feature takes the key of the source audio and adjusts the pitch until it is that of a standard note.
Of course a DJ still has to know some basics about music, such as which keys match, in order to pull off an acoustically perfect harmonic mix. World class DJs currently spend thousands of hours learning the keys of their music and re-mastering their library to be in “perfect pitch”. Now the DJM-800 makes it easier to perform a “Harmonic Mix”.
“As the art of DJ mixing becomes more and more sophisticated, Pioneer raises the level of its equipment to provide the tools needed by today’s professionals,” said Karl Detken, director of product planning for Pro DJ products at Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.
Effects
The DJM-800 incorporates a highpass / lowpass filter, notch filter and bit crusher effect for all channels. In conjunction with the additional Beat Effects, 50 combinations of effects are possible.
-more-
Pioneer Introduces DJM-800 Mixer at NAMM / pg. 2
Higher quality effects at 24bits make for a cleaner sounding remix. The effects automatically detect the BPM of the music and sync to the beats. DJM-800 includes some familiar effects, plus some new ones: Echo, Delay, Reverse Delay, Pan, Transform, Filter, Flanger, Phaser, Reverb, Robot, Chorus, Roll and Reverse Roll.
Digital Input/Output terminals
Digital inputs and outputs allow for connection with other digital-capable equipment for a fully digital chain, without degradation of sound quality. The DJM-800 is not only ideal for the club professional but also great in a recording studio environment where high fidelity sound is required. Input frequencies of 44.1/48/96kHz are compatible; output frequency is selectable between 48/96kHz.
Fully Assignable MIDI function
There are a total of 61 assignable controls. The MIDI signal can be sent from almost all knobs and switches on the surface of the DJM-800 to external midi equipment. Since the mixer can send out many MIDI signals, it can be used as a flexible interface to music software or hardware such as Ableton Live or EDIROL V-4 Video Mixer.
Rotary Volume Knobs Available (optional)
The main volume fader knobs can be replaced with rotary volume knobs (DJC-800RV), which are especially valuable for extended mixing providing more subtlety and precision.
Numerous other features make the DJM-800 ideal for a sophisticated DJ.
· Cross Fader Assign allows the DJ to assign each channel’s input to the cross fader. · Fader Curve Adjust allows the user to change the cross fader/channel fader curve.
· When connected to a Pioneer CDJ player, the Fader Start allows
playback to be started by simply sliding the cross fader or channel fader.
· A built-in three-band equalizer enables level control within a –26dB to +6dB range for high, mid, low bands, respectively.
· The Talk Over feature automatically lowers track volume so an MC can talk over the track.
· The Mic Signal Cut eliminates the microphone sound output to the booth monitor to prevent feedback.
· The DJ can check the peak level of the input audio for each channel
and the master.
The DJM-800 will be available late February 2006 for a manufacturer’s
suggested retail price of $1,699.
Pioneer offers a complete line of Pro DJ Equipment through its Pro Audio Group. Its DJM series of mixers have become an industry standard at clubs, studios, mobile rigs and homes around the world, known for their high quality sound and reliability. For more information, visit www.PioneerProDj.com.
Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. is headquartered in Long Beach, Calif. and its U.S. Web address is www.pioneerelectronics.com. Its parent company, Pioneer Corporation, is a leader in optical disc technology and a preeminent manufacturer of high-performance audio, video, computer equipment for the home, car and business markets. The company, founded in Tokyo in 1938, focuses on four core business domains including DVD, display technologies, Digital Network Entertainment™ and components.
Specifications
Input Terminal CD/LINE x 5 (RCA)
PHONO x 3 (RCA)
DIGITAL IN x 4 (COAXIAL S/PDIF)
MIC x 2 (XLR / ¼” combo x 1, ¼” x 1)
Output Terminal MASTER OUT x 2 (RCA x 1, XLR x 1)
BOOTH OUT x 1 (¼”)
HEADPHONE MONITOR OUT x 1 (TOP PANEL ¼”)
REC OUT x 1 (RCA)
DIGITAL OUT x 1 (COAXIAL S/PDIF)
Other Terminal SEND x 1 (¼”)
RETURN x 1 (¼”)
MIDI OUT x 1 (5pin DIN)
CONTROL x 4 (3.5mm MINI JACK)
Frequency Response 20Hz - 20kHz
Total Harmonic Distortion 0.005% or less
Signal-to-Noise Ratio 105dB (line)
Head Room 19dB
Power Requirements AC 120V (60Hz)
Power Consumption 32W
Dimensions 12.6” (W) x 15” (D) x 4.25” (H) // 320 (W) x
381(D) x 108 (H) mm
Weight 17.6 lbs // 8 kg |
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| Krowster |
Looks pretty cool to be honest. But then again, they'r turning the job of a pro DJ into a child's play. First the beat counters, now the key adjusting?
Come on now! |
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| skot_e |
Next is the automatic cue point, the automatic cross fade and then the automatic arrogant personality.
Soon to come the "look mum, no hands" approach.:haha: :haha: :haha: |
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| DJ Subnautic |
böh... back to the thread: witch intervals are ok for harmonic mixing?
i think only tracks with the same key go perfecly together; are there any other possibilities? (i heard the perfect fifth and fourth go fine with harmonic mixing, but i think it's sounding like *crap*):p |
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