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Keyed tunes for Harmonic mixers (pg. 34)
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| qualia |
you can check out a tutorial at:
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otherwise, check the links section (of [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
is a good start to general music theory too. |
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| Kev Boy |
| Mirco's Voller Sterne (super 8 mix) is Cm intro/outro, but the middle section of the song from 1st to last breakdown is C major |
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| RonAron303 |
| quote: | | Mirco's Voller Sterne (super 8 mix) is Cm intro/outro, but the middle section of the song from 1st to last breakdown is C major |
Yes, you damn right Kev Boy,middle section is major ,so you can count it as Cm or Cmajor ,cause looks like this track have two sides and both of them are too heavy for make a vote .
What about Active sight's the search for freedom(Cm)?,do some body notice ,that in the middle ,you have Fm ?,and Fm keeps until the end.So which that tune is Cm or Fm? |
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| djprince |
Nice to see so many that are interessed in harmonic mixing. As you might know I am hosting www.djprince.no. For the last years I have been really busy with my dayjob and my family(i have 3 kids) so the quality on my site has suffered. I try to update the key and database as often I can, but unfortunately there is not enough hours in a day.
I have receieved some batches of key and bpm info from many friends around the world, but the site needs more contributers. Although my site is dedicated to all types of music and it is a great source for remixers, mashup artists, producers and djs, I would like to expand my database with trance tunes. So if there are anyone here that what to contribute to my site you are most welcome.
I would also like to know if anybody has any experience with tONArt key detection software? This program only supports wav files, I have been in contact with them and they dont have any plans upgrading their demo software. BUT.... Alcatech, the producers behind BPM Studio are planning to use tONArt detection technolgy in a future release of BPM Studio. Maybe Mixmeister pro is finally getting some good competion.
Download tONArt
Kind regards
DJ Prince, Norway
www.djprince.no |
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| RonAron303 |
Hi everybody,i decide to put a Armin's new mix chart(since ,he deside to mix hes new cd in harmonycal progression )from ASOT cd 2005
M-is major
m-is minor
#-dies
b-bemol
[Disc-1]
1. Interstate - I Found U-[Dbm]-
2. Hidden Logic presents Luminary - Wasting-[Cm]-
3. Markus Schulz - First Time-[Cm]-
4. Max Graham ft. Jessica Jacobs - I Know You're Gone-[Cm]-
5. Mike Foyle presents Statica - Space Guitar-[Gm]-
6. Ava Mea - In The End-[Gm]-
7. Elevation - Pacific Passion-[between Dm and Ebm]-[i think with
the whole pic its going to be more Dm]
8. Locust - Aerospace (Probspot Remix)-[Abm]-
9. Armin van Buuren - Shivers-[Abm]-
10. EnMass - Beyond Horizon-[Cm]-
11. Kyau vs. Albert - Falling Anywhere (Rework)-[Bbm]-
12. Fragile ft. Alex Lemon - Inertia (Armin van Buuren Remix)-[Dbm]-
13. Sophie Sugar - Call Of Tomorrow (John O'Callaghan Remix)-[Fm]-
14. Marcos - Cosmic String-[Cm]-
15. John Askew - Mood Swing-[Cm]-
[Disc-2]
1. Peter Martin presents Anthanasia - Simply Blue-[Em]-
2. Nu Frequency - 808-[Em]-
3. Andy Moor - Halcyon-[Em]-
4. Ahmet Ertenu - Why (Derek Howell Mix)-[Em]-
5. Oliver Lieb vs. Preach - Papel (Preach Remix)-[Em]-
6. Remy - Crackdown-[Em]-
7. Gabriel & Dresden - Arcadia-[Am]-
8. Tilt - Twelve (Max Graham Remix)-[Ebm]-
9. Matthew Dekay vs. Proluctors - The Deep Show-[Bbm]-
10. Recluse - Emotional Void-[Dm]-
11. Adam White ft. Martin Grech - Ballerina-[Dm]-
12. Blank & Jones - Perfect Silence (E-Craig Dub)-[Am]-
13. Kyau vs. Albert - Made Of Sun (Kva Hard Dub - AvB Edit)-[Am]-
14. M.I.K.E. - Massive Motion-[Dm]-
15. Eyewall - Bad Deal-[Abm]-
16. Hammer & Bennett - Language (Santiago Nino Dub Tech Mix)-[Dbm]-
17. Liquid Overdose - Ancient Space (Fred Baker Remix)-[Bm]-
---------------------------------------------------------------------So,the whole picture ,look like this.
Personally ,i dont think if the WHOLE mix was REALY harmonical or ,what Armin meant ?,when he said that it going to be mixed in the key.Yes its mixed in the key (for example ,from E to E or D to D or Eb to Ab),but some times its goes from Dbm to Cm ...or Dbm to Am or Abm to Cm ...which is not realy....i think.
So ,for some more answer of mine ,i found one more intersting thing:
--------If you move up one step(from C to C# or B to C etc)
the new record will use completely different set of notes than the one were you just playing ,and so the change will be very dramatic.To be honest ,most Dj who key their records are interested only in this thing .This is a mixing style most closely associated with TRANCE and PROGRESSIVE HOUSE.
As Anthony Pappa explains,"Say you're playing a record in a certain key ,and it goes down to just a drums.Then if you bring in another record in the right key,when bassline comes in ,it gives an energy lift because it act like a key change."---------(the article has been stolen from "how to DJ right"(book))
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Yeh,and what about ,from Am to Ebm ,whats Armin did in the mix Do some body have the answer for that?(Thanks) |
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| johnny2003 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RonAron303
Hi everybody,i decide to put a Armin's new mix chart(since ,he deside to mix hes new cd in harmonycal progression )from ASOT cd 2005
M-is major
m-is minor
#-dies
b-bemol
[Disc-1]
1. Interstate - I Found U-[Dbm]-
2. Hidden Logic presents Luminary - Wasting-[Cm]-
3. Markus Schulz - First Time-[Cm]-
4. Max Graham ft. Jessica Jacobs - I Know You're Gone-[Cm]-
5. Mike Foyle presents Statica - Space Guitar-[Gm]-
6. Ava Mea - In The End-[Gm]-
7. Elevation - Pacific Passion-[between Dm and Ebm]-[i think with
the whole pic its going to be more Dm]
8. Locust - Aerospace (Probspot Remix)-[Abm]-
9. Armin van Buuren - Shivers-[Abm]-
10. EnMass - Beyond Horizon-[Cm]-
11. Kyau vs. Albert - Falling Anywhere (Rework)-[Bbm]-
12. Fragile ft. Alex Lemon - Inertia (Armin van Buuren Remix)-[Dbm]-
13. Sophie Sugar - Call Of Tomorrow (John O'Callaghan Remix)-[Fm]-
14. Marcos - Cosmic String-[Cm]-
15. John Askew - Mood Swing-[Cm]-
[Disc-2]
1. Peter Martin presents Anthanasia - Simply Blue-[Em]-
2. Nu Frequency - 808-[Em]-
3. Andy Moor - Halcyon-[Em]-
4. Ahmet Ertenu - Why (Derek Howell Mix)-[Em]-
5. Oliver Lieb vs. Preach - Papel (Preach Remix)-[Em]-
6. Remy - Crackdown-[Em]-
7. Gabriel & Dresden - Arcadia-[Am]-
8. Tilt - Twelve (Max Graham Remix)-[Ebm]-
9. Matthew Dekay vs. Proluctors - The Deep Show-[Bbm]-
10. Recluse - Emotional Void-[Dm]-
11. Adam White ft. Martin Grech - Ballerina-[Dm]-
12. Blank & Jones - Perfect Silence (E-Craig Dub)-[Am]-
13. Kyau vs. Albert - Made Of Sun (Kva Hard Dub - AvB Edit)-[Am]-
14. M.I.K.E. - Massive Motion-[Dm]-
15. Eyewall - Bad Deal-[Abm]-
16. Hammer & Bennett - Language (Santiago Nino Dub Tech Mix)-[Dbm]-
17. Liquid Overdose - Ancient Space (Fred Baker Remix)-[Bm]-
---------------------------------------------------------------------So,the whole picture ,look like this.
Personally ,i dont think if the WHOLE mix was REALY harmonical or ,what Armin meant ?,when he said that it going to be mixed in the key.Yes its mixed in the key (for example ,from E to E or D to D or Eb to Ab),but some times its goes from Dbm to Cm ...or Dbm to Am or Abm to Cm ...which is not realy....i think.
So ,for some more answer of mine ,i found one more intersting thing:
--------If you move up one step(from C to C# or B to C etc)
the new record will use completely different set of notes than the one were you just playing ,and so the change will be very dramatic.To be honest ,most Dj who key their records are interested only in this thing .This is a mixing style most closely associated with TRANCE and PROGRESSIVE HOUSE.
As Anthony Pappa explains,"Say you're playing a record in a certain key ,and it goes down to just a drums.Then if you bring in another record in the right key,when bassline comes in ,it gives an energy lift because it act like a key change."---------(the article has been stolen from "how to DJ right"(book))
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Yeh,and what about ,from Am to Ebm ,whats Armin did in the mix Do some body have the answer for that?(Thanks) |
6. Ava Mea - In The End-[Gm]???? SURELY ITS F#m???
11. Kyau vs. Albert - Falling Anywhere (Rework)-[Bbm]- is this not a MAJOR chord?? Sounds like A# or D# to me?? Probably wrong, but i know Ava Mea is F#m |
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| RonAron303 |
Hi Johnny2003.
Yes ,you right ,about Ave mea-in the end(is a F#m trully),but in the mix of Armin ,its Gm .I think he pitched it up ,for one more semitone ,for some reason.
And Kyau vs. Albert - Falling Anywhere (Rework) is staing on Bbm or A#m ,is the same,but not D#m.About major or minor :its sounds minor ,some alteration? ,posible.
There are some tunes in the mix ,that has been pitched ,so ,its posible that ,those keys are,a bit pitched out of original ones . Chek the mix ,i think its agood one(:-))(specialy,Armin made some dramatic changes between the tracks,personally i liked how he mixed the same keys(Ebm to Ebm,and others ofcoarse)and the others in Armin's style.So chek it ,you will enjoy. |
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| Nemesis44 |
Remember this guys, there is more to harmonic mixing that just using the basic rules laid out in Camelots theory (Fantastic though they are) there are tons of other musical rules which apply like pitch axis theory (a la Joe Satriani) etc that also work depending on scales used and so on. Armin knows this for sure. All you have to do is listen to his mixes. The other thing is that as you say they are pitching the records so there can be various reasons why tracks work together.
Think outside the box a little.
Cheers
Nem |
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| RonAron303 |
Hi....
I finally decide to say that--------------------------------------------------------- there is no such thing harmonica mixing-------------------------------
Why? ok,Because all this confuze harmoyadro things coming from classical music ,and so?
For example ,where you can find a progression of keys in classical music?
In every composition,but mostly with good story and mood,is ---OPERA---
Well in opera composers used to modulate ,to every key from every key ,and didnt care about most harmonic roots(example:from Cm to Fm etc)they just have been to deliver the mood for movements(operas parts)it could be all kind of keys ,so all composers had their own specific style of delivering moods(for example they could been put eny far key from the root and that s fine ,sience its all coulors of moods)
Yes for shure Armin took my atention when he mixed those Ebm s but mostly it just the WHOLE STRUCTURE of a track ,that makes seat them very well together ,and if we will add a harmonica ,so who knows maybe other progression will be better? |
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| qualia |
| i think it's wrong to say there's no such thing as harmonic mixing, but it definitely isn't always as simple as the theory states, as there are many other factors besides harmonic theory that contribute to a good mix... ;-) |
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| johnny2003 |
so.........
say im playing a tune in D#m, at 135 BPM for example.
The tune i have to mix in is D#m too, but is only 130 BPM.
So the amount i have to pitch the incoming tune (say its more than +3 for example) will make the tune Em not D#m, and hence the mix will still work, but i will get that energy life in the mix too?
what is the picth limit where the tune changes key, is it +/- 3:
more than +3 = one key up
more than -3 = one key down |
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| RonAron303 |
Well,you right about other components,they are like :melody,rythm,timbre and dynamics wich not less important then harmony.Harmony is a part of all those components and the whole pic is structure,well dynamics and timbre are less important for structure but rythm and melody are the most important with harmony.
So,i trying to say that ,why we dont have special topic of 34 pages for rythm or melody or timbre and others,we speak just about harmony ,and its looks like:
"oh yeah,if you go from Cm to Fm it will be the most fantastic and for shure non clashes mix".
But who said that clashes mix is not good ?As i gave an example before --------If you move up one step(from C to C# or B to C etc)
the new record will use completely different set of notes than the one were you just playing ,and so the change will be very dramatic.To be honest ,most Dj who key their records are interested only in this thing .This is a mixing style most closely associated with TRANCE and PROGRESSIVE HOUSE.
As Anthony Pappa explains,"Say you're playing a record in a certain key ,and it goes down to just a drums.Then if you bring in another record in the right key,when bassline comes in ,it gives an energy lift because it act like a key change."---------(the article has been stolen from "how to DJ right"(book))
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So, their is no Cm to Fm or Cm to Gm,their just Cm to C#m and we can close our book of harmony ,and then ,the job is not done ,you have the rythm ,melody and timbre,dynamics.What with them?they are less important for the whole pic?Ofcoarse everybody will say :"oh,come on ,i Know all da thing about melody,rythm,timbre and dynamics,i thode if ill be able to know the harmony too ,so ill be the best around ".
But for example ,most of as dont know much about rythm or melody or timbre or dynamics(i am not speaking here about special techniks of composers)and this things with harmony is just confuze ourselfs .
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So,again i will say that ,their no such thing such harmonical mixing ,just because it will be named other ,like STRUCTURAL mixing .(thnx)(sheers) |
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