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Keyed tunes for Harmonic mixers (pg. 57)
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| qualia |
| as i've keyed more and more songs, my method has changed somewhat. while i used to try to play chords or notes in the scale, i now start out by playing single notes until i find the root note (the one that blends in most), which becomes more and more obvious with practice ;-) after that, as others have said, determining major/minor can be as easy as comparing the major/minor triad chords, or sometimes i've found just comparing the major 3rd note vs. the minor 3rd note helps... to first get an idea of what the root note should sound like, try playing along to some songs where the key is known (perhaps from posts here) and that might help you hear "it"... then practice and don't give up, it's definitely a skill like beatmatching, where once you learn it you can do it in seconds... :-) |
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| starboy |
| where's that website where you can just type in the name of the track and it gives you the bpm and key and all??? is it mixshare? if so where? i can't find it... |
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| qualia |
yeah, you can search for bpm/key information at [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
under the "music" section. in fact, i've recently revamped the web interface, and it's now very slick! when you search for song you will get a table of the song id/bpm/key/keycode and you can sort columns, view details, and find compatible tracks... i am continuing to clean up the data and it's looking better every day. there have been almost 400,000 user submissions to date, and around 230,000 unique songs... |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by qualia
yeah, you can search for bpm/key information at [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
under the "music" section. in fact, i've recently revamped the web interface, and it's now very slick! when you search for song you will get a table of the song id/bpm/key/keycode and you can sort columns, view details, and find compatible tracks... i am continuing to clean up the data and it's looking better every day. there have been almost 400,000 user submissions to date, and around 230,000 unique songs... |
Hey Qualia I'm an user of mixshare, and since yuou make those changes, when I look at my songs, it appears in the date thesong was entered, I think it would be better, If I can see them in alphabetical order.
Another thing
Let's say I'm looking for a famous song and it has 10 matches found
when I click on one song to see the bpm/key/etc., then I want to go back to the search list, but when I hit the "back" button on Internet Explorer, it says thepage has expered or something like that.
I found this a little annoying beacuse I want to compare with other tracks, but this feature since the changes were made doesn't let me do it.
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| qualia |
pinokio,
it doesn't sound like you're even using the new version? did you have an old version bookmarked? if so please visit mixshare.com and refresh your browser, the url of the music section has changed... the new version should not require any back and forth of the browser at all. when you search for songs, you should see a table of bpm/key information without having to look at a song's details as well. makes it easier to compare versions, let me know if that helps. |
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| Benjamin_D |
| Hello, how accurate is mixshare? I practice on my songs and yhen check it on there and find something different everytime. Maybe i dont have an ear for it yet, but just courious. thanks |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by qualia
pinokio,
it doesn't sound like you're even using the new version? did you have an old version bookmarked? if so please visit mixshare.com and refresh your browser, the url of the music section has changed... the new version should not require any back and forth of the browser at all. when you search for songs, you should see a table of bpm/key information without having to look at a song's details as well. makes it easier to compare versions, let me know if that helps. |
wow, that's ing nice Qualia, I didn't check the web for about a week I think, Cool Web.
What about "My Songs" Feature, I don't see that in thes new changes.
Also, How can I add songs?
Thank You for the work on this, it's a great Site. |
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| Benjamin_D |
lets see if i have some right here please help
cold play - talk (junkie xl remix) Dbm 12a
kyau vs albert - walk down (KVA mix) Dm 7a
kyau vs albert - kiksu F# 7B |
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| qualia |
pinokio--the ability to add songs over the web and view your personal library will be added soon, just haven't had a chance to code that up yet :-) right now the only way to add songs is to use rapid evolution, which automatically syncs up with the mixshare server to exchange bpm/key/other info.
as far as the accuracy of the info, it's hard to say, as it hasn't really been tested. it's definitely getting better with time. it's designed to average out information that people submit for the same song, to present the best information. so the more data that's submitted the better it should be, and bad information should eventually be ironed out. most of the information comes from users of rapid evolution, and its key detection accuracy was improved significantly recently, which helps (~70% accurate). although some of the data is old and potentially less accurate from using early versions of the program (again, it should correct itself over time).
re2 also now has an accuracy meter for each song, which is given an approximation when automatically detected, but allows for users to indicate that a song's key has been checked by ear (by moving the accuracy all the way up).. why i mention this is because the server users this information as well to try to present the most accurate information, and i can make it to where this accuracy information is displayed over the web as well. i have also coded into the server the ability to mark bad information and allow for users to be ranked by the accuracy of their information, so somebody with consistently bad info can be discredited...
anyway, i could blab forever. point is, i've put a lot into the framework of the server to help eliminate inaccuracies, but it will be a while longer before its true potential is reached! |
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| skip |
wow qualia! nice work! keep it up!  |
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| DJ Vale |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Errr found that out a few years ago dude... but hey. Thanks all the same. :)
Gave that a listen a while back and some how it just doesn't sound as large as it did at the time... I guess things have moved on. :(
Cheers
Nem |
Still a pretty cool tune though - does sound dated though! |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by qualia
pinokio--the ability to add songs over the web and view your personal library will be added soon, just haven't had a chance to code that up yet :-) right now the only way to add songs is to use rapid evolution, which automatically syncs up with the mixshare server to exchange bpm/key/other info.
as far as the accuracy of the info, it's hard to say, as it hasn't really been tested. it's definitely getting better with time. it's designed to average out information that people submit for the same song, to present the best information. so the more data that's submitted the better it should be, and bad information should eventually be ironed out. most of the information comes from users of rapid evolution, and its key detection accuracy was improved significantly recently, which helps (~70% accurate). although some of the data is old and potentially less accurate from using early versions of the program (again, it should correct itself over time).
re2 also now has an accuracy meter for each song, which is given an approximation when automatically detected, but allows for users to indicate that a song's key has been checked by ear (by moving the accuracy all the way up).. why i mention this is because the server users this information as well to try to present the most accurate information, and i can make it to where this accuracy information is displayed over the web as well. i have also coded into the server the ability to mark bad information and allow for users to be ranked by the accuracy of their information, so somebody with consistently bad info can be discredited...
anyway, i could blab forever. point is, i've put a lot into the framework of the server to help eliminate inaccuracies, but it will be a while longer before its true potential is reached! |
Thanks Qualia for all the work you do on this, I add 90% of the tracks I key to the server, to hlep it, AsI also get help by it, I do key Everything by ear before adding any information, some tunes it's harder than others tokey, and that's why I use your server to have a reference, but I always Check everythign by ear before adding it, so the accuracy it's very high.
I think it's very good to have users acredited and discredited, I've seen some users that have too many wrong keys, I've even started to think they are spamming the site with wrong keys.
This would be a very useful improvement.
Thanks Again, Great Site you have created.
Pepa |
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