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| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
up until April of last year the PNA recieved $1 billion annually in direct aid from the EU and US.
after the Hamas won the makority in the elections, they've recieved zero $.
elections have consequences. in no place and at no time in the world is that fact more evident. |
I know, but I was referring to the new government, because President Abbas dissolved the Hamas led government and appointed an all new government, even though they lost all control over Gaza.
And now the US and EU are pledging to provide money again. |
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| M.Johan |
| quote: | Israel launches deadly Gaza raids
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WEDNESDAY, JUNE 27, 2007
At least 12 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes and artillery fire in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian officials have said.
Palestinian medics said the Israeli army's incursion on Wednesday into Gaza City and the southern town of Khan Younis, the biggest raid on the territory since the Hamas takeover two weeks ago, is ongoing.
Israeli tanks and bulldozers rolled into both areas in overnight incursions - sparking clashes with Palestinian fighters.
Medics said the dead included three fighters from the Hamas movement and the Islamic Jihad.
The Al-Quds Brigades, the armed wing of the Islamic Jihad, said Raid Faanuna, a local leader, was killed in an air strike "during a mission" east of Gaza City.
A 12-year-old boy and two men were killed in Gaza City by a shell fired by an Israeli tank, residents and medical workers said.
Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesman, said the Israeli incursion was part of a conspiracy to pressure Hamas. He accused Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, of being party to the conspiracy.
Abbas, speaking in the West Bank city of Ramallah, condemned the Israeli raid and said: "We strongly condemn these criminal acts, either in Gaza or the West Bank.
We are against violence in all its forms and also we are against launching rockets."
Witnesses in Khan Younis said they saw an Apache helicopter flying low and heard heavy shooting and periodic explosions as Israeli soldiers patrolled rooftops and Palestinian fighters ran through the streets.
Diaa Abu Dhakar, another Al-Quds Brigades fighter, was killed during clashes with Israeli soldiers in Khan Younis - where seven more Palestinians were wounded as clashes flared
Twenty Palestinians, including seven in critical condition, were taken to hospital in Gaza City.
In the south, two fighters form the Al-Quds Brigades and Hamas's armed Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades were killed in the fighting. Another two Palestinians were wounded.
Conflicting reports
The Israeli army said the activity was against "terror threats" in Gaza, where Hamas fighters overran security forces loyal to Abbas on June 15.
News agencies reported conflicting accounts of the attacks, recording a combination of land incursions and an air strike.
The Israeli army denied carrying out an air assault, but confirmed land offensives.
An Israeli army spokesman said: "There is activity in the northern Gaza Strip and the southern Gaza Strip, in the area of Gaza City and the area of Khan Younis."
Two Israeli soldiers were wounded by an anti-tank missile during the operations that Ephraim Sneh, Israel's deputy defence minister, described as "preventive measures" to foil rocket attacks from Gaza. |
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...096FAAD6784.htm
Israeli terror for considered terror threats. |
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| shaolin_Z |
Israel's foiled false flag on the USS libery, by the crew onboard.
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| AlphaStarred |
Mr. Johan, you've made an unequivocal point with your obviously odious representation of "Israeli Jews" and your seemingly utmost contempt for Jews as a whole. But the latter is not the point. The point is, I don't think anything is more deplorably despicable than a suicide bombing. And I write this not with the purpose of suggesting that one religion preponderates another, but that your -stirring disdain and allegations amount to some truly narrow-minded posts. You needn't agree, of course, for I wouldn't expect you to. |
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| M.Johan |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Mr. Johan, you've made an unequivocal point with your obviously odious representation of "Israeli Jews" and your seemingly utmost contempt for Jews as a whole. But the latter is not the point. The point is, I don't think anything is more deplorably despicable than a suicide bombing. And I write this not with the purpose of suggesting that one religion preponderates another, but that your -stirring disdain and allegations amount to some truly narrow-minded posts. You needn't agree, of course, for I wouldn't expect you to. |
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this report is about the Israelijews inside Israel.
jews willnot accept that nor to b antisemtic against the others.
talking about Israel
not about Jews.
The problem is about Israel which is under the control of the zionism movement,
in Israel, the rising of the esclattion of the crises between Israeli jews and Israeli arabs is because the "misunderstanding informationes". U can blame "some" arabs/muslims for their brainwashed minds about suicide bombing.
But at the same time wat do u can say about the Israeli education system ,the Israeli jews childern in their primary stage schooles are taught in their studying textbooks hatred and hostility subjects full with discriminative and abused studies against the whole arabs/muslims in general.
The problem is in the whole system which is responsible for these things. |
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| shaolin_Z |
It's about time this documentary came out, probably the best one I've seen in a while.
You can also download it at the following [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
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| cronodevir |
| Its a shame no one cares about the palestinian holocaust. |
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| shaolin_Z |
More AIPAC shills, what a big ing surprise...
| quote: | Giuliani anti Palestinian state
Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani has said he is not in favour of the creation of a Palestinian state, contradicting current US policy.
In an essay, he said it was not in the US interest to help create a state that, he said, would support terrorism.
He also said he would consider talks with Iran, so long as its rulers understood the US might be prepared to destroy Iran's nuclear infrastructure.
The former New York mayor leads polls for the Republican party's nomination.
Outlining his foreign policy views in the latest issue of Foreign Affairs magazine, Mr Giuliani said too much emphasis had been placed on brokering negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians
| quote: | Palestinian statehood will have to be earned through sustained good governance, a clear commitment to fighting terrorism, and a willingness to live in peace with Israel
Rudy Giuliani |
"It is not in the interest of the United States, at a time when it is being threatened by Islamist terrorists, to assist the creation of another state that will support terrorism," he wrote.
"Palestinian statehood will have to be earned through sustained good governance, a clear commitment to fighting terrorism, and a willingness to live in peace with Israel.
"America's commitment to Israel's security is a permanent feature of our foreign policy."
President George W Bush is in favour of a Palestinian state and has been seeking to bolster the position of Palestinian Authority President and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas.
'Position of strength'
Mr Giuliani has been a consistent critic of the idea of a Palestinian state and of Palestinian leaders.
In 1995, as New York's mayor, he banned the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat from city-sponsored events related to the United Nations' 50th anniversary celebrations.
Mr Giuliani said the US might enter negotiations with Iran from a "position of strength".
"The theocrats ruling Iran need to understand that we can wield the stick as well as the carrot, by undermining popular support for their regime, damaging the Iranian economy, weakening Iran's military, and, should all else fail, destroying its nuclear infrastructure," he said. |
Source: BBC |
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| quote: | Israel Seizes More Palestinian Land to Expand Settlements
In Israel and the Occupied Territories, the Israeli military has ordered the seizure of vast new swaths of Palestinian land in the West Bank. The land surrounds four Palestinian villages outside East Jerusalem. The move appears aimed at expanding the Israeli settlement of Maleh Adumin -- already Israel’s largest in the West Bank. The Israeli military says the seized land would be used for a planned Palestinian road between Jericho and Jerusalem. But critics say that will allow Israel to carry out the planned expansion of an area known as E-1 where the current road runs. The confiscation comes as Palestinian and Israeli officials continue to meet ahead of a planned U.S.-brokered meeting next month. The Israeli peace activist Jeff Halper said : “This has to be seen as part of a timeline in which Israel wants to get all its development of the West Bank finished before [President] Bush leaves office.” |
Source: Democracy Now |
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I wonder what kind of response this perpetuate...
| quote: | Israel Shaken by Troops' Tales of Brutality Against Palestinians
A psychologist blames assaults on civilians in the 1990s on soldiers' bad training, boredom and poor supervision
Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 21, 2007
The Observer
A study by an Israeli psychologist into the violent behaviour of the country's soldiers is provoking bitter controversy and has awakened urgent questions about the way the army conducts itself in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Nufar Yishai-Karin, a clinical psychologist at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, interviewed 21 Israeli soldiers and heard confessions of frequent brutal assaults against Palestinians, aggravated by poor training and discipline. In her recently published report, co-authored by Professor Yoel Elizur, Yishai-Karin details a series of violent incidents, including the beating of a four-year-old boy by an officer.
The report, although dealing with the experience of soldiers in the 1990s, has triggered an impassioned debate in Israel, where it was published in an abbreviated form in the newspaper Haaretz last month. According to Yishai Karin: 'At one point or another of their service, the majority of the interviewees enjoyed violence. They enjoyed the violence because it broke the routine and they liked the destruction and the chaos. They also enjoyed the feeling of power in the violence and the sense of danger.'
In the words of one soldier: 'The truth? When there is chaos, I like it. That's when I enjoy it. It's like a drug. If I don't go into Rafah, and if there isn't some kind of riot once in some weeks, I go nuts.'
Another explained: 'The most important thing is that it removes the burden of the law from you. You feel that you are the law. You are the law. You are the one who decides... As though from the moment you leave the place that is called Eretz Yisrael [the Land of Israel] and go through the Erez checkpoint into the Gaza Strip, you are the law. You are God.'
The soldiers described dozens of incidents of extreme violence. One recalled an incident when a Palestinian was shot for no reason and left on the street. 'We were in a weapons carrier when this guy, around 25, passed by in the street and, just like that, for no reason - he didn't throw a stone, did nothing - bang, a bullet in the stomach, he shot him in the stomach and the guy is dying on the pavement and we keep going, apathetic. No one gave him a second look,' he said.
The soldiers developed a mentality in which they would use physical violence to deter Palestinians from abusing them. One described beating women. 'With women I have no problem. With women, one threw a clog at me and I kicked her here [pointing to the crotch], I broke everything there. She can't have children. Next time she won't throw clogs at me. When one of them [a woman] spat at me, I gave her the rifle butt in the face. She doesn't have what to spit with any more.'
Yishai-Karin found that the soldiers were exposed to violence against Palestinians from as early as their first weeks of basic training. On one occasion, the soldiers were escorting some arrested Palestinians. The arrested men were made to sit on the floor of the bus. They had been taken from their beds and were barely clothed, even though the temperature was below zero. The new recruits trampled on the Palestinians and then proceeded to beat them for the whole of the journey. They opened the bus windows and poured water on the arrested men.
The disclosure of the report in the Israeli media has occasioned a remarkable response. In letters responding to the recollections, writers have focused on both the present and past experience of Israeli soldiers to ask troubling questions that have probed the legitimacy of the actions of the Israeli Defence Forces.
The study and the reactions to it have marked a sharp change in the way Israelis regard their period of military service - particularly in the occupied territories - which has been reflected in the increasing levels of conscientious objection and draft-dodging.
The debate has contrasted sharply with an Israeli army where new recruits are taught that they are joining 'the most ethical army in the world' - a refrain that is echoed throughout Israeli society. In its doctrine, published on its website, the Israeli army emphasises human dignity. 'The Israeli army and its soldiers are obligated to protect human dignity. Every human being is of value regardless of his or her origin, religion, nationality, gender, status or position.'
However, the Israeli army, like other armies, has found it difficult to maintain these values beyond the classroom. The first intifada, which began in 1987, before the wave of suicide bombings, was markedly different to the violence of the second intifada, and its main events were popular demonstrations with stone-throwing.
Yishai-Karin, in an interview with Haaretz, described how her research came out of her own experience as a soldier at an army base in Rafah in the Gaza Strip. She interviewed 18 ordinary soldiers and three officers whom she had served with in Gaza. The soldiers described how the violence was encouraged by some commanders. One soldier recalled: 'After two months in Rafah, a [new] commanding officer arrived... So we do a first patrol with him. It's 6am, Rafah is under curfew, there isn't so much as a dog in the streets. Only a little boy of four playing in the sand. He is building a castle in his yard. He [the officer] suddenly starts running and we all run with him. He was from the combat engineers.
'He grabbed the boy. I am a degenerate if I am not telling you the truth. He broke his hand here at the wrist, broke his leg here. And started to stomp on his stomach, three times, and left. We are all there, jaws dropping, looking at him in shock...
'The next day I go out with him on another patrol, and the soldiers are already starting to do the same thing."
Yishai-Karin concluded that the main reason for the soldiers' violence was a lack of training. She found that the soldiers did not know what was expected of them and therefore were free to develop their own way of behaviour. The longer a unit was left in the field, the more violent it became. The Israeli soldiers, she concluded, had a level of violence which is universal across all nations and cultures. If they are allowed to operate in difficult circumstances, such as in Gaza and the West Bank, without training and proper supervision, the violence is bound to come out.
A spokeswoman for the Israeli army said that, if a soldier deviates from the army's norms, they could be investigated by the military police or face criminal investigation.
She said: 'It should be noted that since the events described in Nufar Yishai-Karin's research the number of ethical violations by IDF soldiers involving the Palestinian population has consistently dropped. This trend has continued in the last few years.' |
Source: Guardian |
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| Krypton |
Occupation brings out the worst in the people...:(
or just makes em really pissed off.. |
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